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February 16, 2012

I realize taking a shot at the Big East is like doing the same with Congress. It’s easy and everyone does it. That doesn’t change the third factor — they both deserve the abuse.

The settlement with West Virginia has been previously mentioned for some of the face-saving. Some of the terms in the agreement, though, are just as laughable.

I suppose I should not be surprised by the inclusion of a “non-disparity” clause, but that ship sailed capsized when WVU AD Luck made his “sinking ship” reference to the Big East. Still, given Luck’s propensity or shooting off his mouth, WVU’s legal department may want to advise the school to hire someone with a taser to stay close to Luck at all media events for the next year or so.

 

What is more pathetic is the fact that the agreement calls for WVU to help the Big East get Syracuse and Pitt find another game for this season.

“Upon request within a reasonable period of time following the Effective Date, WVU shall use its reasonable best efforts to help the Big East members to schedule additional football games for the 2012-13 season. In the event that either the University of Pittsburgh or Syracuse University makes such request on or before February 15, 2012, WVU will use its reasonable best effort to assist the University of Pittsburgh or Syracuse University to schedule a game with a Big 12 member for the 2012-13 season if possible.”

It goes on to say that “if another school announces that it is joining the Big East for football for the 2012-13 season, then WVU shall not be required to take any such reasonable steps to help the University of Pittsburgh or Syracuse University.”

Pitt, along with Louisville and UConn are the schools that lost a home game by WVU leaving. Yet it is Syracuse that gets the extra help over the other two. Gee, can it be more obvious as to the why the Big East would specify Pitt and Cuse?

Answer: the league is apparently trying to cover its behind. Again.

Imagine that. The Big East being reactive instead of proactive.

The conference could not keep West Virginia from leaving. So it made sure a judgment was entered into the Monongalia County lawsuit dismissal saying the conference bylaws are valid and enforceable.

Then there was the “Additional Games” paragraph. The one that screams, “Hey, Pitt and Syracuse, see, we’re trying to help you get games! Please don’t leave before the 27-month withdrawal period by saying we’re not a viable conference!”

It feeds into the criticism of the league that dates back to when Miami, Virginia Tech and Boston College bolted for the ACC. Rather than be proactive, not much happens in Providence until the proverbial horse, cow or, in this case, Mountaineer leaves the barn.

More like, “don’t try and leave until after 2012.” But, yeah. The Big East is always playing defense. Big East beat writer for ESPN.com, Andrea Adelson wrote after the settlement was announced that the Big East never seems to win. There’s a reason for that. The Big East loses continually, because they never act first. They put off the hard decisions until it is almost too late (hey, another parallel to Congress).

Think back to the time right after the Big East voted in TCU in 2010. It was a seemingly sudden, and decisive move by the conference — totally out of character. Yes, it was Coach Jamie Dixon and Pitt that helped to put it in motion, but at least the Big East did something with it. How did they follow it up? By letting Villanova dither.

Whether you liked or disliked the idea of Nova joining the Big East, the conference was in need of that additional football member. The Big East came out and stated it. Marinatto actually admitted it. Especially after what had gone down in the Big 12 that summer.

Villanova had been given plenty of time to make the choice over the years. If they weren’t willing that fall, the Big East needed to move decisively elsewhere. UCF, Navy, Houston — heck, even BYU might have considered the option at that point.

Instead, Villanova wanted to do yet another study for six more months. And the Big East said, “sure, take your time.” A decision that predictably backfired on the conference (and Villanova). Individual members — including and especially Pitt — looked a little closer at the Villanova plan and realized how flawed it was, and galvanized opposition from the other football schools. Villanova was essentially told no, but the basketball side of the Big East refused to consider other members for the conference. Creating another missed moment.

That also led to the restlessness increasing by the football schools. Pitt sent the Big East a warning letter, but they were hardly the only ones realizing that the Big East was reaching a dangerous tipping point in terms of where it stood with other BCS conferences. To say nothing of more expected expansiopocolyspe.

As we have subsequently learned. WVU was casting about furiously. Same with UConn. Rutgers and Louisville as well to some degree.

As I have said enough times, a good chunk of the Big East dithering on these issues has to do with the split interests of the members of the conference. Unlike the competing interests of the Big 12 of name schools and the others. The interests of the basketball schools are very different from the football schools.

They see the football interests and money as a threat from within the conference. The football schools in the conference get more money and exposure over the course of a year. They have the potential to pay more for their coaches, program and facilities because of the other revenue stream. Meaning they have to compete with that within the Big East. It hurts their exposure and ability to build and compete in the conference. They may not actively fight the football schools, but they won’t do a thing that could help them.

It won’t matter a bit, who stays and who leaves the Big East. As long as the conference members have this split identity, the conflicts will remain. That means the Big East will remain a reactive conference.





Shows that all the schools leaving made good decisions. For those staying the fortunes might not be as good in maybe as little as two years down the road. If AQ is did away with there might not be any bowl invites coming the big east way

Comment by George H 02.16.12 @ 12:25 pm

The split identity hurts the BE but no more than the lack of vision and leadership, each one of which could have overcome the identity issue.

Donut boy is a bureaucrat, not a leader and certainly does not have any vision of the future. There is an expression that law students learn early on…”when you control the question, you control the answer”.

As lon as the BE accepts mediocrity in its leadership, it will always be a leaky vessel. Pitt will be gone and the BE will constantly go thru its version of groundhogs day; being poached when they least expect it (even though they should always expect it) and reacting to the actions of another.
I am so glad Pitt is out.
As for Oliver Luck…this is his last job and he has probably reached the level of his incompetence…recall that he ran for elected office in WV some years ago and was defeated. He has an amazing ability to use/alienate people.

Comment by SFPitt 02.16.12 @ 12:29 pm

The fatal flaw was that the Big East was too concerned about pleasing the basketball schools when the football schools were the group who brought in the big TV money. The football schools, Pitt, Syracuse, UConn, West Virginia, Louisville, Cincinnati, also dominated the basketball side of things. Why in hell would they invite DePaul and Marquette into the conference when they needed football programs. The only explaination that I can see, is to preserve the voting balence between the basketball and football schools. The Big East had the most lucrative television markets in the country and it had best footprint in the eastern time zone stretching from Boston to Miami. They needed to split the revenue up a long time ago and reward the football school schools with a bigger share. They let the ACC take their teams that had the best markets and now the ACC will be the conference with big eastern footprint.

Comment by Justinian 02.16.12 @ 12:29 pm

On another note, I saw on Pitt Script, that Pitt got a big fullback from Ohio State. He redshirted a year and played a little last season. Fullback is a position of need for the Panthers, so it’s good news.

Comment by Justinian 02.16.12 @ 12:34 pm

this is all true you all make good points.
so were is the RB coach what is the hold up.

Comment by FRANKCAN 02.16.12 @ 1:35 pm

Chas, I know you’re quoting the P-G story which in turn is quoting the settlement agreement. The settlement agreement is further evidence of the value of a WVU education — “non-disparity” means “no difference.” They really meant to say “non-disparagement.”

Seems to me the “help Pitt” clause is an attempt to prevent Pitt from arguing it was financially damaged by the loss of the WVU game if Pitt fails to ask for the help. Not saying it’ll work, but that’s the only legal significance I can think of…

Comment by velvil 02.16.12 @ 1:49 pm

Zach Brown will be a grad assistant in charge of running backs

Comment by wbb 02.16.12 @ 1:58 pm

That’s good news. Zach is by all accounts a good citizen, he played for Paul Chryst at Wisconsin and knows his system, and it gets him in the door with coaching experience. I think it’s good for all parties involved.

Comment by Justinian 02.16.12 @ 2:16 pm

sorry, I just made that up … although I wouldn’t be surprised to see it happen

Comment by wbb 02.16.12 @ 2:18 pm

They need a RB coach that can pull talent from MD and VA.

Comment by TX Panther 02.16.12 @ 2:23 pm

The problem with the BE I believe was Notre Dame. Talk about having your cake and eating it too. They should never have allowed ND to stay for bb only after they were raided the first time. Should have given them an ultimatum, either all in or you are out. Instead they kissed their asses and now it is too late.
These Catholic school want to stick together and to hell with anyone else.

Comment by frankarms 02.16.12 @ 2:44 pm

Velvil – I caught that as well. Was “non-disparity” used in the agreement, or just in the PG article? That’s a pretty dumb error to make if it was in the agreement itself.

I also think you may be right about the “help Pitt/Syracuse” clause. The parties know that it is extremely unlikely that Pitt or Syracuse will ask WVU for help, so it is a very safe thing to include. Legally, however, I don’t think it does much even if Pitt doesn’t ask for help, since it would be a stretch to interpret that paragraph as binding Pitt to any particular action. At least that would be my argument…

Comment by Pantherman13 02.16.12 @ 2:52 pm

The Big East was the best thing that ever happened to Notre Dame basketball. Their basketball program was mediocre at best before joining the Big East. They got to join the best basketball conference in the country that played basketball in markets where Notre Dame had big followings. It dramatically helped their recruiting and put their basketball program on the map. The Big East deal also let keep their exclusive TV deal and keep all their football money. The Big East also provided them a conference for all their Olympic or non-revenue sports to play in. But we’re supposed to be thankful because Noter Dame was partnered with the Big East in bowl affiations and they continued to have Pitt on the schedule. If I’m not mistaken Pitt and Notre Dame have very, very long tradition of playing each other.

Comment by Justinian 02.16.12 @ 3:06 pm

Oh yes, and………..according to Notre Dame’s athletic director, Pitt is selfish because they followed their own best interests.

Comment by Justinian 02.16.12 @ 3:12 pm

what WVU needs to do is to convince Maryland (who is scheduled to at WVU in Sept) to play either at Cuse or Pitt … and then they (WVU) play that day at either Cuse or Pitt, whoever Maryland doesn’t play.

Then Pitt and Cuse can each schedule a D1AA team and still have 7 home games … and WVU will still have 7 home games also.

Comment by wbb 02.16.12 @ 3:42 pm

actually Pitt will just have 6 home games but that’s better than 4 or 5

Comment by wbb 02.16.12 @ 3:46 pm

Pantherman12 –

Let’s say Pitt does ask for help and WVU gets them a game with Marshall. I think Pitt still has a legitimate claim for big money damages (lost TV exposure, 100 people at the game), that is used to offset whatever $$ the BE wants to release them for the 13-14 season.

Comment by velvil 02.16.12 @ 4:01 pm

Pitt won’t be able to find equal replacements for the home games that would have been TCU and WVU. The deficit in TV revenue or exposure and ticket sales will definitely be used in negotiating a settlement. The only way WVU can convince a school to play at Pitt is if they cover the costs. Oklahoma has an available date. I’m sure that $10M could convince them to go on the road and play Pitt. That will NEVER happen.

Comment by TX Panther 02.16.12 @ 4:25 pm

Hey MAYBE we can get the new Big East member, the Memphis Tigers! O’boy I bet everyone in the city would be lining up for tickets for that one.

Comment by Justinian 02.16.12 @ 6:05 pm

Hey fellas. Little update for you. Both robert foster and te scott orndoff are on unofficial visits to pitt today and will be attending the basketball game tonight. Qb malik zaire will be taking a visit to pitt on monday. It looks like the staff is beginning to pick up the pace in recruiting

Comment by Pk 02.16.12 @ 6:14 pm

Wouldn’t it be possible for some teams to play a 13th game? Could a couple of our new brothers in the ACC step up to help us out?

Comment by Houston Panther 02.16.12 @ 6:27 pm

pk – I think that Foster and Orndoff didn’t just magically appear for an unofficial visit without some prior phone calls being made, do you?

I’m sure the rumors going around on the blogs/message boards that Chryst & Co. are sitting on their thumbs is way overblown.

Comment by Reed 02.16.12 @ 6:47 pm

How about for nostalgia’s sake, we ask Fordham if they want to come to Heinz Field? I think they still have some openings on their schedule. They are the Patriot League doormat lately but at least we’d be trading one long time rival for another.

Comment by Pitt Dad 02.16.12 @ 6:55 pm

Come on, Reed, all you have to do is read the articles with these kids. Hardly any of them mention Pitt at all and when they do it’s them saying they have to call Pitt because they haven’t heard from them or they’ll don’t know when they’ll get to Pitt because nothing has been set up. Pitt hasn’t even scheduled a damn junior day yet. Don’t be a homer. Chryst is moving slowwwwww. So, he has three kids coming in. Guess what? Other schools have had dozens already.

Comment by Mike 02.16.12 @ 6:56 pm

Reed, i agree. It does seem that they are moving a little slowly, but that doesnt add up with me because, how can he be getting visits from top tier recruits like this and not contacting others? That makes zero sense to me. Again, it does seem their moving slow but just like the “just offer comment” its being blown way out of proportion

Comment by Pk 02.16.12 @ 7:14 pm

were is RB coach they are slow with kids and every thing else dont fall into the trap they are our coach so every thing is ok how did that work with TG. you all are to easy to trust the coach hold there feet to the fire it is better that way.
till they prove them selves.

Comment by FRANKCAN 02.16.12 @ 7:25 pm

I dont think you should judge him until you completely see how he does recruiting and coaching for at least a year.

Comment by Pk 02.16.12 @ 7:28 pm

PK bye than it could be to late i say hold there feet to the fire till they prove them selves
were is the RB coach were is he.
this is not wisconsin they dont walk in the door saying may i please go to PITT at least not yet
may be some day but not yet he needs to recruit
hard and fast.

Comment by FRANKCAN 02.16.12 @ 7:41 pm

Frank, i agree about recruiting

Comment by Pk 02.16.12 @ 7:49 pm

I will say one more time were is the RB coach
when is JR day some schools have had 30 players in all ready us 3 or 4
and no JR day i worry abought this coachs recruting all most all the 16 players this year were TGs except what 4.
thay said he doest not like to recruit he needs to show us something like maybe a RB coach to start. plus bring some players in move his ass
do something.

Comment by FRANKCAN 02.16.12 @ 11:13 pm

frank- you expected a RB coach to be hired in the 3.5 hours since your last post?

Comment by crazylegs 02.17.12 @ 9:55 am

I know this is going to rankle some people but such is life.

Pitt needs a game right. They need a home game right. They don’t want to pay some scum team to come in and play in front of a smaller crowd, right. The “fill in” foe will likely come from the FCS level anyway, right.

Duquesne. Will not cost much, will sell tickets and is a rival .

No need to thank me folks, I solve problems.

Comment by SFPitt 02.17.12 @ 4:29 pm

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