January 28, 2012

LiveBlog: Georgetown-Pitt

Filed under: Basketball,liveblog — Chas @ 2:45 pm

Sorry about the lateness of getting this out. Guests coming this evening so a frenzied day of cleaning. I’m already catching plenty of grief for taking 2+ hours out to watch the game at 4pm on ESPN. But, really, the wife should be used to it.

Georgetown has been a bit of surprise team this year. Not too much was expected from the Hoyas except middle of the pack, bubble team. Lots of youth and John Thompson III has not had his young players do too much in the past. This year, is different. Lots of early contributions and the Hoyas are in the upper quadrant of the Big East.

Tray Woodall being back has the offense looking a lot sharper. The defense still leaves a lot to be desired. Probably going to have to live with that, this late in the season.

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Not sure of the oddsmaker, but my local paper has Pitt by 3 today!

Comment by Lou 01.28.12 @ 3:14 pm

Either im missing something or you forgot something

Comment by Tony C 01.28.12 @ 3:16 pm

It might be false confidence from beating a poor Providence team, but I actually think we win today.

Comment by Pitt Rob 01.28.12 @ 3:31 pm

Kenpom and sagarin both predict G’town by 5+ . Very surprised that we are favored in this game. Not a good match up. Georgetown plays a good inside and outside game.

Comment by velvil 01.28.12 @ 3:37 pm


Comment by Krayz 01.28.12 @ 3:47 pm

The mutually beneficial girl is now joined by the BnB tobacco girl…I like where this is heading heading Chas!

In all seriousness, I’m a little shocked at the line. One good thing about the down year, my expectations have been lowered to the point where winning isn’t the important thing. I’m just looking for improvement.

Comment by ECH 01.28.12 @ 3:48 pm

“But, really, the wife should be used to it.” – I’m pretty sure that quote will re-surface during the divorce proceddings, Chas. 😉

Comment by Shawn 01.28.12 @ 3:54 pm

If Iowa f’n State can beat Kansas …we can beat Georgetown!!

Comment by Dan 72 01.28.12 @ 4:15 pm

towson with the win!!!! I think I heard the cheers in Rosedale

Comment by 429Meyran 01.28.12 @ 4:20 pm

6:29 1st half: Pitt is showing nice hustle and up by 16. YES! HTP!

Comment by MariettaMike 01.28.12 @ 4:45 pm

Just stood behind S. Adams @ the concession. Freakin huge!

Comment by Carmen 01.28.12 @ 5:12 pm

Dave Wannstedt at the game today as well. Sitting somewhere behind the pitt bench. Just saw him him when the camera zoomed in on coach dixon. maybe hes entertaining rutgers recruts lol

Comment by Big Bill 01.28.12 @ 5:35 pm

Hail To PITT!! What a great win!! Bring on the hoopies!!

Comment by Steelfan 01.28.12 @ 6:19 pm

That’s the way we do it!!!!!!

Comment by Dr. Tom 01.28.12 @ 6:23 pm

This looks like a different team with Travon Woodall back in the linup. Georgetown entended out and played tight on Ashton Gibs and Travon Woodall and Pitt burned them with Nassir Robinson, Talib Zanna, and Lamar Paterson slicing inside. When the Hoyas made the big run at them after the half, the Panthers held things together and then took charge again. Actually they answered every Georgetown run with an efficient offence. It’s very nice to see them playing well and playing Pitt basketball again. Go Panthers!

Comment by Justinian 01.28.12 @ 6:34 pm

was surprised that Taylor played most of te way down the stretch, and more surprised that he seemed to play pretty good defense

Comment by wbb 01.28.12 @ 6:37 pm

off topic but Zeise is back from injury and posted this from ..

Pitt: I’ve just learned that Pitt head coach Paul Chryst will add Inoke Breckterfield as defensive line coach. Breckterfield coach the defensive line this past year at UCLA. Jim Mora had retained Breckterfield as an operations assistant, but Breckterfield has opted to join the staff at Pitt.

Zeise said that he hasn’t heard aything from Pitt so it still unconfirmed

Comment by wbb 01.28.12 @ 6:42 pm

I didn’t notice that he was at the game, but Dave Wannstedt is a good guy and I’m glag to hear that he attended the game. He’s a Pittsburgh guy, a Pitt alum, and a former Pitt coach and would be good to see him around. I hope the people at the university do whatever they can to somehow or other patch things up. I thought the way he was let go was very badly handled.

Comment by Justinian 01.28.12 @ 6:42 pm

Now that looked like a tournament team. Talib Zanna, enough said. Oakland Zoo was ecstatic. Steven Adams attended and is the future. Even football may become a bright stuff. Things may be looking up for our beloved University of Pittsburgh. Amazing what one quality win can make me post on a blog.

Comment by Timmeh 01.28.12 @ 6:46 pm

Great to see Wanny at the game.
High quality Pitt man. and by the way, he was spot-on when he complained that Graham threw Tino under the bus.

Comment by Gas 01.28.12 @ 7:02 pm

Now that’s the Pitt team we’ve been expecting to show up.

Comment by deepelemblues 01.28.12 @ 7:03 pm

Zanna was hurt so Taylor got the mins down the stretch and held his own. Zanna will be ok I think

Comment by DobHTP 01.28.12 @ 7:09 pm

to little to late?…this team is WAY better with Woodall…it would be nice to beat wvu monday so we can get on a roll…and if we get production from our bigs like out!!

Comment by pitt-for-life 01.28.12 @ 7:32 pm

By my count, we still need 7 wins in our last 9, or 6 of 9 and a good tournament run. Still an uphill battle.

Comment by Lollard 01.28.12 @ 7:36 pm

One possession at a time. Play with attitude and hustle.
Let’s see what happens.

Comment by SFPitt 01.28.12 @ 7:50 pm

Good to have you back, Paul. Some of us reside a distance away and don;t get all the inside data, Hope riur rec overy continues and you will be :on board for what should be a most interesting Panther Spring Camp. On to the hoops: Yes, I too, noticed Dante picked up his play toward the end of a most unexpected win. Finally, Robinson and Patterson looked like I thought they would look, pre=season. The Mountaineers will be a tough hurdle on Monday. They should be seething after being rooked at Syracuse today. Don;t know anything about the alleged defensive line coach. Please give us more data if or when ut is announced. Thanks. Rev. George from Columbus.

Comment by Rev. George Mehaffey 01.28.12 @ 7:51 pm

I was wrong new DL coach is from UCLA his name
is breckterfield but if he was the one all a long he could have been here weeks ago.
may be the outher man changed his mind.
but i was wrong so there it is.

Comment by FRANKCAN 01.28.12 @ 7:55 pm

A win on monday and this team might be able to get going. With a healthy and game shape woodall, this team is probably one of the 4 best teams in the big east. It’d be so nice to have the Cincy and Depaul wins right now.

Comment by Pitt Rob 01.28.12 @ 8:14 pm

frank, sorry i didnt respond on the other board soon enough i just got back from the pitt game and a dinner at five guys…. Amazing. the unknown recruit was john guy, a 6’7″ 290 OT from new hampshire. he wasnt previously on the radar and i really cant find anything about him. he sure has the size. this might be a patented diamond in the rough that chryst had found so many times at wisconsin.

Comment by pk 01.28.12 @ 8:17 pm

Haven’t heard any Jamie Dixon can’t coach complaints today? Monday at WVU will be a tall order…but who knows after today.

Comment by Dan 72 01.28.12 @ 9:24 pm

Observations : It is obviously true that Taylor is not the player he would be without the tendenitious in his knees. By moving to the SF next year drop some weight he needed to keep centers out of the lane he might recapture what he had in high school. Remember how that incapacitaed Young in his sophmore seasonfrom tendenitious.

Zanna can become an excellent SF he is quicker than most SF as shown by his explosion off the dribble to the hoop. Both he and Taylor could complete 70% more of their offensive rebounds playing with a true ceneter.

Woodall is not a scorer and is limited in his ability to complete penetration but he does have good vision and can breakdown down the defense by getting into the lane. He never will be a threat from the outside.

Neither Gibbs nor Woodall can guard on the perimeter or are strong enough to fight through screens. What I have seen on tape Robinson at 6’2″ powerfully built and a determined defender

Robinson is a smart player without the skill level of Taylor, Zanna, Patterson, or Moore but what he has learned that the others have yet learned and need to to take the next step (Gibbs does this well to/experience that we should see from the others next year)is when your defender turns his back on you exploit it and cut to the basket instead of playing like when they wer in high school and attepting to beat their man off the dribble. Robinson smartly scores all his hopes this way. If Moore could learn this as Julius Page did at guard years ago the Peterson could be raining dunks.

Pitt’s present weakness is its inabiltiy to match up inside because they have no center. I saw enoungh in the last two games that the addition of Adams and Robinson to say this team will be a threat next year.

Much of Sims game today would have been negated by a 7’0″ atheletic center with a long reach and quick feet. Pitt would have won by 20 with Adams at center. Also Robinson is a better shooter than Woodall and will torch opposing teams sloughing off to stop Johnson getting easy looks.

This team could be, even without Woodall while he was out, at least 18-5 or 17-6 if Dixon had recruited a true center, not any All-American who like McGhee had no offense but had the body and the experience of always being a post player. Pitt recruited no true center since McGhee until this year and Gilbert is a project. If Gilbert or someone like him came two years ago this year would be different.

Next year Adams will be an impact player and hopefully Gilbert will be ready to spell him. Adams should be a double-double, Zanna/Taylor at SF, Patterson/Moore SF, Woodall, Robinson point, Johnson SG. A top ten team. This will be an atheletic team, much quicker than and bigger than any previous team.

With Chyrist, Adams, and Robison Pitt ought to be like the Pheonix rising out of the desert of this year, the Second Coming.

Comment by DRW 01.28.12 @ 9:25 pm

Drw, nas isnt as skilled as taylor or zanna? Maybe you mean talented because neither taylor or zanna can finish if its not a dunk or put on ball on the floor

Comment by Pk 01.28.12 @ 9:36 pm

DRW, Have you caught your breath after that one?
Many good points and observations, but I would like to see some more good basketball this year, like we saw today. I also thought the Panthers played well at Marquette and at Syracuse in losing efforts. I’m not saying that I expect them win the rest of the games, that’s unrealistic. I would like to see them play well and be competive and finish the season well.

Comment by Justinian 01.28.12 @ 9:47 pm

pk thanks

Comment by FRANKCAN 01.28.12 @ 9:54 pm

Seriously, it’s like Rain Man and Groundhog Day rolled into one. He’s posting the same multi-paragraph rant day after day here. Power Forward still isn’t a concept that has floated into his universe I guess. Now we’ve got 4 small forwards.?.?.?..Anyway, his theory is completely flawed. The bad losses are against teams with strong backcourts- LBS, Wagner, Depaul, Marquette, Louisville, etc. Pitt plays poor perimeter and poor team defense. Has nothing to do with an inability to match-up inside. We’ve still out rebounded opponents in nearly every game…And Sims scored only 10 today, most of it late when we simply didn’t want to foul. He finished with only 4 rebounds in 33 minutes. Taylor had 5 in 13 min. Zanna had 10 in 25 min……And yeah, like name me any team that couldn’t benefit from having an athletic 7’0″ future lottery pick in the middle.

Comment by SilverPanther in NYC 01.28.12 @ 10:11 pm

Usually small forwards can dribble and shoot not to mention guard the same position on the opposition who is most likely the most athletic player they have. Does zanna, taylor, or nas fit that? Not really. Nas is the closest of the three to a sf but he doesnt have the shot or ball handling skills to do it, not to mention hes the most productive post player pitt has. How could pitt posfibly benefit from any of them playing a sf position that they cant succeed at?

Comment by Pk 01.28.12 @ 10:20 pm

Glad to see Chas was able to take off his rubber gloves from cleaning to ONLY> witness PITT’s best game of the Season. If you got to clean to get us a win Chas, I’m going to FED EX you some more cleaning equipment. What would you like?, a mop perhaps, a broom or do you have a favorite cleaning implement?
Just let me know and I’ll get it up there. haha :-)

All kidding aside. What a game for our Panthers today over #9 Georgetown and in 2nd place in the BE. (or at least they were)

And just when everyone was ready to toss good ole one legged Nas off a cliff, the young man comes up HUGE today. HUGE. We gotta remember he’s been playing on bad wheels all season. Great game from him and also Lamar Patterson had his best game as a Panther. Hopefully many more to come. Another nice effort from Woody in his comeback, the team is certainly a lot sharper with him in the lineup which only goes to emphasize the point of having a good point guard. Zanna was adequate on the boards and Dixon cut down the minutes of some bench players. Smart move Coach, shorten the bench. (I think I’ve said that more than once)

Play like this and this team could still make a run… maybe even for the Dance. Or what would be very sweet, win the BE tournament for the auto bid.

H T P !
V E V !

Comment by Emel 01.28.12 @ 10:21 pm

Seriously – woodall for team MVP this year. This team looks totally diffent with him in the lineup. GU is not a good offensive team and D is still a concern, but the front court difference is unmistakable

Comment by Ghost of Hornman 01.29.12 @ 12:32 am

hey silver panther. You’ve got it right.

Comment by velvil 01.29.12 @ 12:35 am

PK semantic problem I guess we should use numbers. Naz, Zanna, or Taylor, especially Zanna and Taylor are to big too play small forward even in the NBA. They are SF (strong forwards). Naz compenstates for his being a very undersized strong forward (4)by his experience and basketball savoy of using screens and immediately cutting to the basket when his defender turns his head.

Against Gtown most if not all his points came on backdoor cuts (Dixon took him out of the foul lane area on the zone -good move [put Patterson there])taking advantage of of the bad defensive positioning. Also with Woodall he had a guard who could see the floor and make the pass.

As for Pitts weak perimeter defense I agree the guard do struggle with penetration but more importantly because of its weak inside defense (this is not measured by rebounds). Because Pitt has no center the forwards and the guards have to double down to contest the oppositions center and then the ball is kicked back out for an open three.

This did not happen with Blair or McGhee because they were strong enough to defend inside. It will not happen next year with Adams with his large wing span and 7 ft. frame. He will be able to defend the lane without teamates collapsing to compensate.

Comment by DRW 01.29.12 @ 7:54 am

I thought it was universally understood that SF meant small forward as in the 3 spot/wing. The 4 is power forward, not strong forward, but whatever. If you were saying that they should play the 4 then yes none of them are natural centers and i think they are actually negatively effected by playing the 5 if they had a natural center, even one thats not offensively gifted like gary mcghee they would be much better off. If they had a steven adams whos 7 foot has great touch, can block shots and dominate the boards then theyd be a top 15 team.

Comment by Pk 01.29.12 @ 8:10 am

The guards played very well defensively yesterday, compared to most games this season. Handled the screens and back cuts almost to perfection. Still letting guys get into the lane but that’s due to limited athleticism. Not much about that to be done at this point.
I’ll be interested on seeing how things go tomorrow night at WVU — I actually don’t think it’s an awful matchup, except really for Jones. But he causes problems for everybody. He’s a really good SF. Or was that an SF? I get them confused. Haha.

Comment by JW 01.29.12 @ 8:21 am

I thought that the biggest difference was Pitt’s offensive execution. They were extremely efficient offensively. Georgetown played the perimiter tightly and extended out to take away the 3 point shot and Travon and company did a very good job hitting the cutters. The Panthers were aggressive and took the ball to the hoop. In the 2nd half, I thought Georgetown played much better defensively, but everytime they got a run, Pitt answered and retained control of the game. It was very solid performance by the Panthers.

Comment by Justinian 01.29.12 @ 8:41 am

Funny, a week ago most of us were wondering if we would win another game. Monday will tell if we really have turned a corner.

Great to see Robinson and Gibbs back to form when not trying to do to much. Awesome game plan by Coach.

Zanna and Patterson just keep getting better, can’t say enough about them. Even Taylor came through down the stretch when we needed him most. If only Moore wouldn’t have hung on to that hoop. Sure like to see more of Moore’s skill set.

Georgetown looked sluggish and missed a lot of shots, like to say it was cause of our intensity, time will tell.

In any case yesterday was great fun. It couldn’t have happened at a better time with Adams, Football recruits,Wanny and ESPN in the House.

Hail to Pitt.

Comment by gc 01.29.12 @ 9:02 am

Wow, and I forgot the most important guy TREYVON WOODALL!

Comment by gc 01.29.12 @ 9:04 am

GC, I’ve been commenting that really needed Woodall in the linup and that having him would make a big difference in turnovers and in ball distrubution. I figured they couldn’t do too much about defensive quickness, but with better point guard play, they could reduce turnovers. I wouldn’t put too much emphasis on the West Virginia game. Although Pitt is a much better team with Travon Woodall at the point, Morgantown is a difficult place to win. I think they will play better the rest of the way and eventhough I love to see them beat WVU at their place, I am not expecting it.

Comment by Justinian 01.29.12 @ 9:45 am

gc, Voytik was also in the house

Comment by wbb 01.29.12 @ 10:06 am

I thought woodall would help, but i didnt think hed make this much of a difference. I mean, even when he only had what, 4 points last night, he had 10 assists and he manages the game very well. I think if pitt can get to 20 wins, which isnt likely, and win a big east tournament game they will most likely get into the ncaas. 9-9 in the BE is good enough. I think if they win any less than 7 more games they will probably have to either get to the BE tournament final or win it, depending on who they beat/lost to. Pitt cannot afford to have any more bad losses and theyll need a few more good wins.

Comment by Pk 01.29.12 @ 10:07 am

Geter’s gone! Pitt pulled his scholarship offer.

From Dokish.

“As I suspected they would do, due mostly to his lack of judgement on twitter when he criticized some of the decisions of the program, among other things, the Panthers decided to let Sto-Rox CB Marzett Geter go on his merry way. Geter is now the fourth player to part ways with Pitt since Paul Chryst has taken the job. A fifth changed schools before Chryst was hired. Two more, Adam Pankey and Myles Hilliard, are wavering, and there are still others who may not eventually be signed for one reason or the other.”

This doesn’t really suprise me. I kind of had the feeling his days were numbered after he lipped off on twitter. Looks like we’ll be losing a couple of more too by the sounds of it. Wonder who Chryst will replace them with, if anybody. These next couple of days should be real interesting.

Comment by Steelfan 01.29.12 @ 10:14 am

Hopefully the open scholarships will be filled by guys whose positions are abbreviated by the letters “O” & “L”.

Comment by Dr. Tom 01.29.12 @ 10:25 am

Right on Dr. Tom

Comment by gc 01.29.12 @ 11:17 am

Some anonymous commenter on dokish’s board said that he heard that gabe roberts OT from wisconsin committed to pitt last night. He also said that logan dietz 6’5 270 OT whos committed to BGSU will likely switch to pitt. As for john guy, the 6’7″ 290 OT from new hampshire, if pitt offers him i have to assume he will commit. Pitt would be his only offer snd who would turn down a full ride to a quality school like pitt to pay for college? I dont know what his grades are though just saying

Comment by Pk 01.29.12 @ 11:19 am

Justinian, you are right but nothing would be more satisfying than a win in Morgantown. It would keep old Mo going and get the kids to believe.

Comment by gc 01.29.12 @ 11:23 am

pk the one pitt site says gabe roberts commited today the outher says nothing. we will know soon

Comment by FRANKCAN 01.29.12 @ 11:55 am

Frank, what site said he committed?

Comment by Pk 01.29.12 @ 11:57 am

pk i think scouts i will go look
but first i noticed something all the commits that are left or that have been added are 6 foot or taller except the davis twins i guess the coach likes tall players.

Comment by FRANKCAN 01.29.12 @ 12:18 pm

pk panther digest which i think is scout

Comment by FRANKCAN 01.29.12 @ 12:22 pm

Thanks frank. But 6′ corner is good sized but id hope that our olbs and tight ends are 6′ or taller haha

Comment by Pk 01.29.12 @ 12:25 pm

Patterson not getting enough love here. He played a fantastic game. Took it to the rim with authority, shot well from the perimeter. Beside Woodall, I thought he was the most important player on the court, with Nas a close third.

You can see that the game has slowed down for Patterson. It clearly has not for Moore. I like the aggression, but he forced those baseline drives and still isn’t hitting the open jumpers. Dixon gave him the time in the first half and unfortunately he did not make the most of it. Still want to see him on the floor, but you notice that come the second half, he’s mostly on the pine.

Dixon did a good job yesterday, but one thing that just infuriated me was about midway through the second half, maybe, Woodall on the bench, shot clock ticking down and who does the ball go to? Gibbs. End result? Blocked three-point attempt and an intentional foul call on Gibbs trying to prevent the break away. That could have been a HUGE swing in that game, had Gtown converted bot FTs and hit a 3. Gibbs should never have the ball in his hands in those moments.

Oh, and Adams did not seem too pleased with his soft pretzel. “For $3.50 I got this?”

Comment by Carmen 01.29.12 @ 12:33 pm

Pitt just picked up an o-lineman from WI.

“JDiPaola_TribJerry DiPaola

Pitt received a verbal commitment today from New London (Wisc.) O lineman Gabe Roberts (6-4, 295), who could have walked on at Wisconsin.”

Comment by Steelfan 01.29.12 @ 12:36 pm

pk that makes 3 the one you found the one i found and now steelfan so i guess he did good show.

Comment by FRANKCAN 01.29.12 @ 12:46 pm

Great that pitt got roberts. He should be a good addition.

For those interested, deaysean rippy is going to commit to a school tonight. Chris dokish said that tonight he will tell the coach but he doesnt know when he will make the decision public. I have to wonder if getting rid of geter hurts pitts chances. I hope geter is mature enough to not talk crap about pitt to rippy and i hope that even if he does, rippy is mature enough to realize that he needs to make his own decision and not go to be swayed by another bitter kid who made a dumb decision.

Comment by Pk 01.29.12 @ 12:46 pm

I can’t see what Geter does would have any effect on Rippy. Rippy will go where he wants to go .. and currently doesn’t look like Pitt.

Roberts will be a project at best …he, like Hester, seems to have size but is not well recruited. Pankey is still a possibility … Pitt and WVU are is choices.

Finally, look for Bam Bradley to come to Pitt

Comment by wbb 01.29.12 @ 12:55 pm

Bam bradley has pitt osu and stanford in his top three but he said about a week ago that stanford was recruitibg him the hardest. Plus, pitt said, and rightly so, that he should play linebacker, but bradley wants to play safety. That could cost pitt bradley but ive heard from different people that ges not fast enough to be a safety.

As for rippy, its hard to figure out where hes going. A month ago he had almost no interest in wvu, now theyre in his top 3. Hes had pitt as a favorite through the entire recruiting process but who knows.

Comment by Pk 01.29.12 @ 1:08 pm

I rarely give Ron Cook credit for anything, but that is fir good reason…he being a doom and gloomer who adheres to the belief that if you are at Pitt and any good at what you do you should either leave or want to leave. I won’t back off that position.
But, today Cook write a piece that stayed within its own scope and gave Dixon serious credit. Especially telling is the quote from Mike Rice about Dixon being the most consistent person he has ever met.
I will be candid, I wondered if we were going to witness the College basketball version of Steve Blass not being able to find the strike zone, and we might never win again. Sounds silly until you see it happen, then it is worse than horrible.
Cook captured the “why” in the assertion “why Jamie Dixon will not morph into a loser”. Answer, in spite of his good nature, he is extremely confident and comfortable in his own skin.

Comment by SFPitt 01.29.12 @ 1:44 pm

I will catch hell for this but i am not sure we want rippy some one on here said they have seen
him play a few times he has the build the hight the speed and all that but makes very few plays
he has all the numbers but that is all.

Comment by FRANKCAN 01.29.12 @ 1:47 pm

Jevonte pitts i thought he did not have the grades
one pitt site has him still here the outher has him gone did he flunk out or what.

Comment by FRANKCAN 01.29.12 @ 2:11 pm

pk Wbb there is a new vist now a wr chris wuestner
6 foot 1 200 pounds .

Comment by FRANKCAN 01.29.12 @ 2:30 pm

wuestner he is 6 foot 3 200 pounds he is a nr
no offer schools that were looking AKRON CONNECT
VILLONOVA BUT NO OFFER really is this the best we can do.

Comment by FRANKCAN 01.29.12 @ 2:38 pm

I like hearing all of the chatter around possible recruits who are at the offensive line positions.

Yes Tino sucked this year but just think how much less he would have sucked if he had a solid wall of big uglies in front of him all season. Those drive killing QB sacks all season could have been minimized with a stout OL that would have given him the luxury of time for his frantic tiptoeing around in the backfield until he finally released the ball.

We need quality bodies in those offensive trenches, that was a major weak spot last season.

Comment by Dr. Tom 01.29.12 @ 2:52 pm

Diamonds in the rough. Coaches are the best evaluators of talent. Not sites like rivals and scout run by so called professional evaluators. What the hell do they know in giving out stars. I’d trust what the coach thinks and sees over what these sites miss.

Comment by TX Panther 01.29.12 @ 2:54 pm

Back to hoops, laugh now but mark my words:

This team IS making the tournament, and I’m not talking about the NIT.

Comment by Jimbo Covert's My Dad 01.29.12 @ 2:58 pm

Dr Tom,
Tino hanging onto the ball too long and running like a turtle in ashell is why the offensive line looked bad.
Give a QB that can think on his feet and the offensive line would look have decent.

Comment by spindler's spirit 01.29.12 @ 2:59 pm

I thought we had already gone over the “he has no stars so he must suck” nonsense. Chris dokish said it best “if these people from these recruitibg sites were great judges of talent they would be working in a college program or the nfl”

Comment by Pk 01.29.12 @ 3:26 pm

Mystery recruit//John Guy from a fancy prep school in New Hampshire ($47,000 annual tuition /room and board).
Mr. Guy is listed at 6ft7″/280 lbs and as far as I can determine he has not received any offers.
???? What, no offer from Univ of NH, Maine or Mass.
Smart kid(??) with money(??) why not a nice New Hampshire college like Dartmouth?
Maybe he is a dunce and other schools have passed.
Of all the prospects that have been mentioned (I don’t care how many ****) he is without a doubt somewhere in the twilight zone.

Comment by isnore 01.29.12 @ 3:35 pm

that is were they used to work pk lets recruit a whole class of no stars then . dont be sily pk
you have to have some kind of gage in every thing or perhaps ypu want some one with a high school eduction to run pitt. some times i think you just like to argue abought any thing that you can.

Comment by FRANKCAN 01.29.12 @ 3:38 pm

There is an interesting article in latest ESPN magazine that cites several studies that there is a very low correlation between schools’ football recruit ratings/rankings and how well those teams do subsequently. The more important thing is how well the coaches do with the talent they selected. All this angst about the ratings of our recruits seems like a lot of wasted energy. Based on Chryst’s past history, it seems he can develop those people that he chooses to coach. How about we wait until fall before we start to worry?

Comment by John In South Carolina 01.29.12 @ 4:08 pm

Steve Adams had 12 and 14, took only 8 shots, as ND Prep had little problem in winning the exhibition game at Ambridge HS.

in the 1st game, Shaler beat Lincoln School 57-52, led by JP Holtz’s 14 pts

Comment by wbb 01.29.12 @ 4:19 pm

Iwas just looking at the rateings of the ohio state recruits and so cal and oaklahoma and texas
you tell me if you think they will be haveing bad years there has to be a gage for every thing
can you find a nr that will be grest sure but what would you like on pitt 8 players who are 5 stars and 4 who are 4 stars or 12 players who are 2 stars if you tell me 2 stars you are nuts .

Comment by FRANKCAN 01.29.12 @ 4:22 pm

Frank, obviously im going to want the class with the five stars BUT if you look, texas has had top five classes every uear and they havnt won more than 7 reg season games in the past two years, oklahoma is always falling short of expectations too. Same with florida state and florida in the past few years. For every team with great recruiting class rankings that succeeds, theres a team without highly rated classes that succeeds as well. Im not saying that four star recruits arent great to have. They are. All im saying is you font need them to succeed. The star system is a very rough guide given by someone who isnt necessarily a good judge of talent that in no way garauntees success by the individual or his team on the field.

Comment by Pk 01.29.12 @ 4:35 pm

Google chris wuestner. Watch the youtube video. Hes clearly no stars because scouts havnt seen him. He Makes acrobatic catches, has solid speed, can make people miss, and blocks well. He looks like a slightly smaller and less akward mike shanahan if i had to compare him to a current pitt player,

Comment by Pk 01.29.12 @ 4:50 pm

Quote from espn regarding chris wuestner in his senior year. “You could make a case that wuestner was the most productive wideout in pennsylvania this season. In five games, his lowest recieving output was 98 yards.”

They said he is “under the radar”

Comment by Pk 01.29.12 @ 4:56 pm

Wuestner way under the radar….out most of his Junior year because of an injury.


Comment by isnore 01.29.12 @ 5:02 pm

Good college coaches can spot a sleeper. Sometimes when a player is on an average or poor team they can fly under the radar. When Jackie Sherrill was at Pitt, they first noticed Hugh Green, when they were watching Rooster Jones. They ended up recruiting both players, but it was Hugh Green that went on to become the All-American. Often you can be a star on a high school championship team and not have the tools to play at a big time Division I program. I would think Paul Chryst and Bob Bostad know talent when they see it.

Comment by Justinian 01.29.12 @ 5:18 pm

A point that Chris Dokish made on Panther’s Prey was that the offensive linemen recruited at Wisconsin had fewer stars on their recruiting profiles than the Pitt lineman had. So they either were better at recognising talent, or at developing it. If I’m not mistaken Wisconsin offensive line did pretty well.

Comment by Justinian 01.29.12 @ 5:25 pm

Good point pk. I think we’d all take a team that has 4’s and 5’s. You mention several teams, and there are many more, that end up being mediocre at best however.

Is this a defensive mechanism kicking in, maybe a bit, but, with Chryst’s track record with 3’s and a few 4’s, I would definitely take that.

Remember, if he wins games, goes to a big bowl and becomes top 20 relevant, i.e. maybe a Pitt-Fla.St game, or a Pitt-Va. Tech game has a little national relevance, we will be getting the bigger star players.

I feel the best about Pitt football than I have in years. Could I (we) get burned again, sure, but I doubt it with this guy.

Also, we’re a resilient bunch, whatever happens, we’ll be here.

I have to say, I’m pretty pumped up right now.

Comment by Dan 01.29.12 @ 5:37 pm

FRANCKCAN, LOI day is Wednesday!!! It’s like a holiday, except, I don’t get off work!!

Comment by Dan 01.29.12 @ 5:38 pm

Jimbo Covert’s My Dad, I’ve felt that way since seeing the Marquette and Cuse games. Yes it may seem crazy, but not when stop and actually think about it. A win tomorrow night, and they’d be a favorite in probably their next 4 games or so. All of a sudden this team could be 7-7 and then they’d really be in the thick of it.

Comment by Pitt Rob 01.29.12 @ 5:54 pm

Just watched savon goodman a small forward jamie dixon is looking at for next year. Could be the athletic, slasher we need. Strong finisher @ the rim. His team got butchered by st. benedicts of newark, nj. He didnt take one jumper the whole game but was slam dunking alley oops all over the place !

Comment by Rocky20 01.29.12 @ 6:19 pm

Not going to completely dismiss star ratings, but they shouldn’t be the sole gauge of a kid’s talent.

Scout had Darrelle Revis rated as a 3-star player. He was like their 46th best corner, nationally, and was rated their 25th best player just in PA. Rivals also had him as a 3-star corner, in their mid-30’s among national corners. Oops.

Conversely, Bostick was rated relatively higher, which I’ve heard some say was the product of him having a monster year during his HS sophomore season, and neither of the sites ever downgraded him.

Dion Lewis: Scout had him as a three-star RB, ranked 70th nationally at his position. Oops.

Andrew Taglianetti in 2008 was ranked a 2-star CB Scout, who also had him ranked 114th among CB’s nationally. His only other offers were Toledo and Towson. That same class also produced Shayne Hale (Scout 5-star, ranked 3rd-best DE in the country). Again, oops and oops. Who’s been the more productive Division I football player?

I get the point…you’d always rather have a class with more talent that’s expected to do well. But these rankings fail to take into account the type of system a kid is going into, the kid’s ability and – more importantly – DESIRE to be coached up at the next level, and the abilities of the coaches to get him to that level and utilize him correctly.

Comment by Stoosh 01.29.12 @ 6:30 pm

Any word on how Steven Adams did today?

Comment by steve 01.29.12 @ 6:33 pm

oops, just saw wbb’s summary. thanks

Comment by steve 01.29.12 @ 6:35 pm

Went to Ambridge today to check out Steven Adams, HE IS LEGIT.

Here’s one man’s evaluation (mine):

+Great size, tall (7ft ish), long arms, big hands, not a bean pole.
+Moves well, good feet, good lateral movement. Looks and moves like an athlete, not a 7 footer.
+Great hands, can catch in traffic, can grab rebounds and hold them.
+Very good court sense. He lets the game come to him, doesn’t force things, makes few (if any) mistakes. Understands where he needs to be and gets there. Very productive.
+Really, really good passer. Especially on the high post. He consistently hit the open guy.
+Free throw stroke looked really good. Good touch, good follow throw, good rotation, good balance, good results.
+Good on the pick and roll. A couple time he set a ball screen and rolled to the hoop, caught a questionable pass and scored the basket.
+Good natural rebounder. In good position, good hands and did I mention 7 feet tall?
??He seems to lack explosiveness. A good jumper, but not a natural quick leaper (ie Birch). He blocked a few shots, but he wasn’t more than a couple inches off the floor.
??Post moves. Saw a baby hook (missed), but not much else in the post. He had much smaller dudes guarding him, could/should have killed them.
??Defense, hard to tell if he can play great D. He had a couple hedges on the high ball screen that looked text book, but a couple others that were weak. My guess is that Jamie will have him playing good enough, he has the tools. But he is not the kind of shot blocker that Gilbert and Birch are. And a couple times a 6’8″ athlete blew by him like he had his feet in cement.
??Mid range jumper, looked good in warm ups, didn’t try it in the game.
??Intensity, competitiveness. He could have scored 30 if he had asserted himself. There’s a fine line between “letting the game come to you” and “coasting”. My take, he was on the right side of the line, but….

After watching him play one game, I think he’s the best prospect Pitt has had since Charles Smith. He is way ahead of Gilbert and has a lot more to his game than Birch. He is 6 inches taller than Blair.

My gut; he’s not one and done, but probably two and done. It will depend on how quickly he develops some offense or gets stronger, more explosive.

He won’t be a savior for Pitt next year, but he will absolutely contribute a lot. Certainly more than Birch did in the time he was here.

Can’t wait to see him in Greentree.

Comment by boubacar aw 01.29.12 @ 6:42 pm

Oh and JP Holtz is a stud, huge, strong. He was a man among boys in the first game. If he can run a 4.6 ish 40, he will play in the nfl. Really good athlete. Can’t shoot foul shots though… :)

Comment by boubacar aw 01.29.12 @ 6:45 pm

Dan LOI is like a holiday that is true at least for us.
and we say the coach will coach up that 2 star or that nr and some times they do and this coach is good at it

but if we had 7 players with 5 stars and 3 players with 4 stars we would be danceing in the streets and shouting from the roof tops and you know it.

and we dont so we make the best of it and that is ok but it counts if you do so dont prentend outher wise. may be we will get there in 2 years then we can crow abought it.

Comment by FRANKCAN 01.29.12 @ 7:15 pm

Thanks, boubacar aw. Great news! But, an aside, Greentree performance doesn’t seem to be much of a predictor.

Comment by steve 01.29.12 @ 7:18 pm

Interesting positive note on Robinson regarding DeMatha’s first loss this year.

There is a rule many DC area sports fans know: never count out a DeMatha team until the final whistle. Behind a lineup filled with four Stag guards, DeMatha began to force turnovers, grab scrappy offensive rebounds and — the main thing — get stops. James Robinson finished with a season-high 25 points and scored 13 of those in the fourth.

If the game plan of Robinson taking over in the paint was instituted after halftime instead of the fourth quarter, DeMatha probably leaves Bender Arena with a solid comeback victory. Robinson is one of the best distributors in the DMV, but he’s also the strongest point guard pound-for-pound. He hit nine of his ten free throws too. He’s going to be an excellent point guard at Pittsburgh, but until then, I’d make him my go to scorer.

Neither Robinson or Adams appear to be from the pampered high school merry-go-round and AAU school. Robinson is a multi-skilled guard from one of the best highschool programs and Adams is a natural athelete of immense size only surpassed by his potential.

I think they are both Jamie Dixon style players with the basketball ability at their position of any program. If given the opportunity to learn from experience getting plenty of minutes in Nov-Jan.(taking so early season losses)Pitt can, I hope, reap the benefit of this recruiting class.

Comment by DRW 01.29.12 @ 7:18 pm

Steve, I would dispute the “Greentree performance doesn’t seem to be much of a predictor” comment. I know it’s glorified street ball, but I think it does offer a feel for who is a real player and who is not. At Greentree, it was evident that John Johnson was a real player. Cassin Diggs, on the other hand, was a complete flop and it was perfectly obvious. And thus he was shown the door. Even J.J. Moore, for as much as many of us route for him to get more PT, has never been that impressive at Greentree.

There are obviously limitations to what you can interpret from the games at Greentree, but it can be a good barometer, IMO. Based on that, I would not be surprised to see Durand Johnson make some important contributions next year. He will need to learn to play D and within the confines of the offense, but from what I saw at Greentree last summer, he is athletic, can slash to the rim, and has good range on his jumper.

Looking forward to Greentree already, and hopefully a good run the rest of BE play.

Comment by Carmen 01.29.12 @ 8:33 pm

Boubacar aw …. you nailed the description of Adams on all counts. I too think that Dixon will make him be more active on both ends of the floor. Adams did not loaf, but seemed too relaxed at times. At this stage – physical make-up, looks & moves, he reminded me some of Levon Kendall. He has better quickness though and I agree … he will really help Pitt next year. Holtz also looked good as you said … strong! Who do you think Jamie & Knight were looking at in the 1st half of the Beaver Falls-Sharon game?? …. perhaps just being polite by staying. Also very good to see Mr. Groat in attendance.

Comment by fuzzy69 01.29.12 @ 8:34 pm

If Durand is so good, Carmen, why isn’t he playing?

Comment by steve 01.29.12 @ 8:42 pm

Steve, the sf position is deep right now. Theyre better off redshirting him. I still think the best comparison for steven adams is pau gasol. Adams looks more muscular but they have virtually identical games.

Comment by Pk 01.29.12 @ 8:45 pm

Carmen – ditto on Greentree. And I would add there were major yellow flags on Birch there too.

Steve – the simple answer on Durand Johnson, he is a skinny, 18 year old, 6’6″ SF/wing on a team loaded with SF/wings who don’t have a redshirt available and who are physically more mature. Numbers game. FWIW – He is going to be a major contributer during his career, dude can shoot the rock.

Comment by boubacar aw 01.29.12 @ 9:26 pm

Jimbo, I was saying that two weeks ago. I’m with ya.

Hail to Pitt!

Comment by Digdug 01.29.12 @ 10:59 pm

Don’t let Dokish cloud your judgement…scouting is always going to have its hits and misses (The Dion Lewis’s and Shayne Hale’s of the world so to say). Who’s to say these guys (* scouts) don’t take things into account or don’t know what they’re talking about…in fact, many of them do. Sounds more like the guy (Dokish) has an axe to grind having worked at scout/rival or whatever and isn’t with them anymore. (why is that? hmmm) They’re also in the private sector so I would imagine the avg scout on rivals makes more $ than the avg scout at a state univ. Furthermore, if you look at the schools getting the 4/5 stars, they’re the ones that continually churn out great teams…look at the SEC…look at Tx Ok USC FSU MI OSU etc. Coaches know how to scout talent too and know what players fit their system. Obviously character and work ethic matter a ton and they may not be always reflected in the star system, but point is, there is some validity to sites like rivals…Dokish is just outta the game and is bitter. So much easier to cover 1 school than an entire region.

Comment by Gordo 01.29.12 @ 11:29 pm

one more thing…I don’t mean to sound overly critical of Doke, I check out his blog, he has good scoop, seems to care about Pittsburgh…I just happen to completely disagree with him on this subject.

Comment by Gordo 01.29.12 @ 11:39 pm

From Mike White’s blog this morning: “Also,Sto-Rox linebacker Deaysean Rippy tweeted that he will decide between Pitt and WVU.”

Thus, if anything, Pitt letting go of Geter may have helped.

Dokish doess has have more insider info than we have but he is also a very paasionate fan … which sometimes clouds his judgements (like mots of us).

Comment by wbb 01.30.12 @ 7:10 am

Chas, can we get a pregame post for discussing Pitt-WVU tonight? The past two games make me think we at least have a shot tonight; would be a great road win if we could pull it off!

Comment by Lou 01.30.12 @ 9:19 am

Gordo, if you think these idiots at Rivals or Scouts wouldn’t kill to be an assistant coach at a college and know just as much as those assistants then you are delusional. These people know nothing..LOL

Comment by Mike 01.30.12 @ 10:02 am

WVU is a 6.5 point favorite.

They played well in the dome. Should have beaten ‘cuse.

Kevin Jones and the big Turk will be tough matchups for us. Jones will eat up Patterson and Robinson.

Not too optimistic.

Comment by Boubacar Aw 01.30.12 @ 1:11 pm

Mike, to infer that a job at rivals/scout is the same job as an assistant coach with the same responsibilities is delusional.

Comment by gordo 01.30.12 @ 1:22 pm

Ive also been hearing the same thing about Durand Johnson sources from a insider told me that Durand is a better shooter than Ashton but Durand body is not yet physically ready.

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