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December 6, 2011

Please Dave, No More Talking

Filed under: Coaches,Football,Wannstedt — Chas @ 4:08 pm

Well Pitt is heading to Birmingham and the big discussion point is Dave Wannstedt. Wait. Is this 2011 or 2010?

Now let’s get this out of the way. I like Dave Wannstedt. I know he cares deeply about Pitt. I know he desperately wanted this to work. He wanted to win and win big at his alma mater. In his home turf. He wanted to be coaching Pitt for a good 10 to 15 more years. It hurt him terribly to be fired by Pitt. Especially since he never saw it coming.

I also know he cares deeply about the players that he recruited on this Pitt team. Not Jerry Sandusky or Bernie Fine deeply, but he cared.

There comes a point, though, where he has to either stop talking or be nice. What he did yesterday was more pointed, but similar to the stuff he has been doing since leaving Pittsburgh to coach linebackers for the Buffalo Bills. I’ve tried to avoid it because it should be in the past, and I had hoped that someone would tell him that he is making himself look bad. Clearly that isn’t happening.

 

He needs someone to tell him, that taking shots at Pitt, the program, the present coach. However, much he thinks is a way of getting even with AD Pederson or whatever his thought process isn’t going to work. He is no longer the coach of Pitt. He may have some friends who will support him rather than Pitt, but that is the small minority. Wannstedt more than any coach should know, “it’s about the name on the front of the jersey.” That goes for ex-coaches who happen to be alumni as well. Even Joe Paterno has learned that.

So, to the interview he did yesterday and some other points.

Let’s start with this.

“I’m really shocked the way people have put a microscope on this kid,” Wannstedt said. “It is very disappointing to me.

“In the NFL, you do it when a guy is making $10 million a year. You throw him under the bus and try to run him out of town.”

Projecting much? I’m just not sure if he is referring to his time coaching at Pitt or if he’s sticking to Miami or Chicago.

Tino has been the starting quarterback for Pitt, for the past two years. In both years, the team has underachieved from expectations — with noticeable stumbling on the offense despite really good running backs. Under normal circumstances a quarterback receives too much of the praise or blame. Sunseri quarterbacking Pitt is not normal.

“But not a 20-, 18-, 19-year-old college kid who had other places to go and chose to come to Pitt and he won a state championship there at the local high school and his father (Sal) was an All-American there?

“If he can’t play, don’t play him, but do it the right way.”

The obvious point is that Sunseri is 23. But the bigger problem was referencing Sal Sunseri in there. It is just a reminder that he is the son of one of your old friends. Given Wannstedt had Scott Turner (son of Norv) coaching WRs in the final year, it just comes off as if the greater offense in Wannstedt’s mind is harshing on the son of an outstanding former Pitt player (who just happens to be a friend). And of course, Sunseri had other places to go. He was recruited. By that standard, no college player should ever face criticism from fans and media.

As for playing him. If we had our druthers, he would have had a seat a while ago. I’m not sure if that’s a complaint about him being called out publicly at times, or the fact that in the final game Pitt went wildcat a slew of times — much to the obvious annoyance of Sunseri.

If he’s upset at Coach Graham for saying less than positive things about Sunseri the entire season — and in the aftermath of the WVU game — that is a difference of style. Graham has adopted the indirect criticism, but also accepted that it is up to the coaches to do a better job. (Even if every fan knows that at this point, it isn’t the coaching that after two years still has Sunseri making fundamental mistakes like not setting his feet and staring down receivers.)

Dave Wannstedt’s preferred method of dealing with things when a player, or team tanked — blame turnovers and correctable mistakes. It didn’t matter if they happened at the beginning or end of the season. Turnovers, correctable mistakes — and of course youth/inexperience.

It’s a damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don’t thing. Don’t admit that the player is horrible, and you are treating people like idiots or possibly lying to yourself. Tell the truth, and you are tossing the kid under the bus. What probably has Wannstedt most upset is that Graham has said — and others including me agree — that right now Sunseri is the best option. That statement is more damning towards Wannstedt and the job he did in recruiting and evaluating talent.

He also feels that Pitt is trying to drive Sunseri off after this year — and also would pull him out of Pitt if he were his kid.

“If he was my son, he would be gone,” Wannstedt said on Monday, speaking on TribLive Radio. “I would pull him out of there and transfer him.”

“It doesn’t sound like the school or football program is giving him many options, to be quite honest with you,” he said.

Take your time to reconcile the two parts. I can wait.

Yes, there are people pitying Sunseri and saying he should transfer because things are toxic. And no question Graham is bluntly saying that the status quo cannot stand for the quarterback position for next year. That doesn’t mean that Sunseri can’t win the starting job. It is simply that he will actually have to win the job. Rather than have it handed to him or be the only possible choice.

My last tidbit is the pot calling the kettle black.

On the 6-6 record and return trip to the BBVA Compass Bowl:

“We were co-Big East champs last year and (the seniors) were looking to take it one step further this year.”

Yes, I am sure that is a line of pride on your resume. And that veiled shot at Graham the coach and Pitt the institution for allowing Wannstedt to be fired. Because it was so clear how much better they would have been this year with Wannstedt coaching. As if Wannstedt’s 7-5 record was a crowning achievement because they got rings.

Pitt was co-Big East champs in 2004 with an 8-4 record and actually went to the Fiesta Bowl under Walt Harris, and in 2005 Pitt stayed home with a 5-7 record under Wannstedt. But that was different because clearly the 2004 team had peaked. The 2010 team was just getting started.

Here’s where it gets really sad for Wannstedt. The comparisons to his predecessor never fully went away. But for the most part, people liked Wannstedt more and tended to land further on his side for a few reasons. One, he was simply more likeable. Two, he was a local. And three, he was the coach of the team. He was the face of the program. The fact is, fans will support the program, the institution first.

Now, he fails miserably in his final comparison to Harris. Harris was pushed out. He wasn’t extended. He was allowed to twist all season, and took the blame for his agent’s bluster. He was lucky enough to land another job at Stanford (where he failed miserably). Yet, he never uttered a negative word about Pitt. In fact, after the Stanford job, he moved back to Pittsburgh. He limited his job opportunities because he wanted to stay close to the area.

Yet Harris doesn’t make many media appearances. He still only speaks positively of Pitt.

I think back to the summer before the start of the 2005 season. I was talking with someone well plugged-in to Pitt football. He was big on Wannstedt and excited about the season. As we were talking, I said how surprised I was that so many people felt the need to tear down Harris to build up Wannstedt. It didn’t seem necessary. Harris did much to rebuild Pitt to where it was when Wannstedt took over. His comment was that, in time people will look back with more admiration and respect for Harris and what he did.

He was right. But neither of us ever thought it would be aided by Wannstedt’s behavior.





I think Wannstedt continues to prove why he was fired. He was disrespectful to the chain of command, bull headed, blind and ran his program through the good-ole-boy network.

Comment by McKeePl 12.07.11 @ 7:35 am

I played for Johnny Majors and Walt Harris. Although I did not necessary agree with the way that Walt treated us when I was in the moment I now look back on it and “get it”. He is a great football mind.

Comment by Corey Plis 12.07.11 @ 8:23 am

thanks for the update on the asst coach, FRANKCAN.

Pitt89: agree on your assessment (and others) of the current roster of QBs, but ONE reason to play different QBs and wildcat in bowl game is our collective blood pressures. Bowl games should be fun. Watching Tino is no fun.

Comment by Bossdaws 12.07.11 @ 8:44 am

Wannstedt’s mention of Tino’s dad is the most disturbing part of all this. It proves that Tino got preferential treatment from Dave. That kind of thinking never produces good results.
Funny, Dave never spoke about Max Gruder being treated wrong because Graham criticized the LB coverage at the beginning of the year. I guess he isn’t pals with the Gruder family.
Graham will be successful at Pitt. Give him a freaking chance.

Comment by notrocketscience 12.07.11 @ 9:15 am

Ahh, e-mel!! Sorry, I was bloviating a bit there. Yes, a night owl also.

You’ll be happy to know, it’s about 40 deg here and raining. Those big drops, that go down the back of your shirt collar and give you a jolt!!

Comment by Dan 12.07.11 @ 9:22 am

@Boss… Unfortunately, I can’t really argue with that. Thought I was going to blow a gasket at the end of the WVU game…

Comment by Pitt89 12.07.11 @ 9:56 am

Graham past has shown he is not an offensive wizzard, playing in the USA confernce, check the soores during the season the offensive statistics are significantly skewed with blowouts against the bottom feeders of the conference.
Pitt scored over a 100 points this year compared to last year when Tino QBed his first season and the our running attack suffered compared to the previous two years.
Most telling is that in 2010 Pitt in the 4th quater doubled their oppoents points while in 2011 the opponents double Pitts scoring in the fourth quarter.
These facts are not stated as a defense of DW but for the debunking of TG as an offensive wizzard or more than a marginally succesful coach in his five seasons in the miserable USA conference with no titles and a 66% winning percentage – this percentage merifully does not count the 2011 season.

Comment by DRW 12.07.11 @ 10:43 am

Tino will probably look good in the bowl game. He looked pretty good in the bowl last year. No pressure. He’ll look terrific in Spring practice – always does, no pressure. How can Graham sit him down? He’ll be wonderful in practice. He will start every game in fine fashion – two TD lead. Then the pressure will build and he won’t be able to complete a ten yard pass. But there won’t be anybody else to turn to, since Tino got all the reps in Spring and every practice.

Comment by 66Goat 12.07.11 @ 10:47 am

Wanny had a 57% winning percentage in six years in the Big Least, so, I guess we’ll take Todd Graham at %66!!!

Got them to the same bowl in his first year, that Wanny got them too in his 6th year, so, sounds pretty good too me!!!!

Comment by Dan 12.07.11 @ 11:08 am

When you say “In both years, the team has underachieved from expectations — with noticeable stumbling on the offense despite really good running backs” you are really stretching it. How long ago did Ray Graham go down?

Comment by GatewayPride 12.07.11 @ 11:09 am

I supported Dave when he was the coach at Pitt, However, I think he is way off base with this crap.

I guess Dave has not watched many games this year. I hope he keeps his dignity. As for his defense of Tino..I understand it and I applaud it. He could have been a little more diplomatic however. Something like …Well he was recruited for the Pro Style offense and Coach Graham is using something a little different etc. etc.

This points out to me that he certainly does not agree nor like Todd or his philosophy of how to treat a college football player. I personally think Todd is doing what is needed at Pitt. OUT with the POOR performers and lets try someone whoo can perform at a high level. Yes even it is the son of an alum.

The fact that Graham has used 12 to 13 freshman this year would have never happened with Dave.

Comment by Pitt Man 12.07.11 @ 12:13 pm

Pitt89…love how you and your like are so certain about everything. Going by the book, as you are with Jones and Gonzo and Meyers, if Jones was so lightly recruited, what about Anderson? And conversly, Bostick was a big shot recruit and showed he didn’t have near the athleticism to play D1 QB. How many examples of ‘should not…could not’ etc. etc. etc. do we need to review to prove ‘on paper’ is largely meaningless and the field of play decides things?

Just a quick sample: Tom Brady (7th round pick — projected lifetime clipboard holder), Ryan Leaf (first round bust), Jamarcus Russel (first round bust), Joe Montana (3rd rounder, too small/weak arm), etc. etc. etc.

But I know it gives you guys great comfort to go by the book and let others do the thinking for you, so go ahead and say my examples are pointless and the critics and cognescenti are always right.

My only point is whether they are or are not in the case of the guys I’d like to see, you or I or anyone other than Pitt insiders don’t know, plain and simple…all we have is words on paper. If you are a high school scout or friend of Graham’s, okay, but otherwise how do you know? I’m willing to admit that but you guys aren’t.

I have no agenda against Tino…I rooted for him starting with Utah last year and would have been psyched if he played at an All-American level, but he’s been so bad so often that it begs the question how can giving someone else a shot be a bad thing? If the other guys are worse, someone needs to be fired for approving their scholarships, regardless of potential position change.

Comment by Matt N. 12.07.11 @ 12:33 pm

Chas, I took the Sal Sunseri reference differently than you did. I thought the reference was that Tino comes from a Pitt family and we are not treating Tino the way he deserves to be treated as a fellow Pitt brother.

Even if we go 0 and 12 which I pray would never happen, the players on the team would still be Pitt men and Pitt people and I would still be proud of them. We have seen much darker days of Pitt football over the past 30 years and Tino has taken so bad of a verbal beating from alumni, local media, and his own coach…that we are bringing our own Pitt people down rather than building them up.

Comment by AJ 12.07.11 @ 1:09 pm

@Matt N… Funny you should mention Bostick. He played in my local Lancaster-Lebanon league. Saw him play many times. Great kid and very bright… but a local sportswriter friend of mine and I told everyone who would listen that he wouldn’t be a very good D1 QB.

You don’t have to be a scout, rocket scientist or genious to see that Myers is a complete mismatch for this system. Not his fault or TG’s fault. Even the coach that recruited Gonzalez moved him away from the QB position. I don’t believe Jones was recruited by anyone to play QB (I might be wrong on that). Can he play the slot, return kicks and take a few snaps in the Wildcat. Sure… but he isn’t playing D1 QB.

Oh and the Wildcat isn’t really a viable offensive system. It’s a gimmick, change up play. It happened to work at Arkansas because they had McFadden, Felix Jones and Peyton Hillis.

Graham played what 12 or 13 true freshmen this year. Don’t you think he would have sat Tino at some point if he really believed his replacement was on the current roster.

I’m not a Tino fan by any stretch, but there were many faults on offense. I honestly believe (and it would seem so does TG) that playing any of the other three options at QB would represent taking a step backwards.

Did you notice when TG started to use the Wildcat more…when they were officially eliminated from BE contention. Doesn’t that tell you something??

Comment by Pitt89 12.07.11 @ 1:09 pm

AJ, your point is well taken.

However, I would like to mention, that I have not seen one poster say disparaging remarks about Tino, the son, brother, nephew, uncle, person or as a human being on here ever.

Maybe someone did a couple times, admittedly most of us can’t read every single post, but, from someone that usually checks the Blather almost every day, I haven’t seen anyone questioning him as a person and human being.

Yes, a lot of bashing about his QB play, absolutely, not going to argue that.

I also think he got a pass many times, because of who he was, and how most of us wanted him to succeed, just because he’s Sal’s son, and a Central and Pgh. kid.

I would imagine most of us, unless someone out there has a grudge against the Sunseri’s??????, wanted him to succeed, become an all-American and lead us to a Orange Bowl victory.

I mean, personally, I could care less who the qb is, if he’s performing on the field.

Comment by Dan 12.07.11 @ 1:27 pm

Comparing this year’s offense to last year’s offense in order to draw conclusions about Coach Graham’s offense is ridiculous. There are so many things that are different such as injuries and players leaving for the NFL. Also, even though Tino was a 1st year starter he had been able to learn the system for 2 years during his redshirt year and Freshman year.

Comment by Wardapalooza 12.07.11 @ 1:33 pm

Thank God this season is over and we can look to the Post Tino era of Pitt football. Wanny is acting like the loser that he is. Good luck in Buffalo Dave!

I wish I could be more enthusiastic about Tood Graham but he has a lot to prove. 6-6 in the Big East with a weak non-con is absolutely unacceptable and the blame it on the “system” bullshit is getting old fast

Comment by Coach Ditka 12.07.11 @ 2:09 pm

Does 6-6 sound any better when you consider he took over a 7-5 team on short notice following a PR nightmare which lost it’s best RB, WR, O-Lineman, D-Linemen and glue guy on D (DeCicco), with no appreciable QB talent, suffered a rash of injuries to his best offensive players, was in virtually every game, and was not embarassed at home on national TV TWICE where his team basically quit.

Comment by Pitt89 12.07.11 @ 2:27 pm

AJ – I’ll disagree with you also. Wannstedt’s referencing Sal Sunseri is just what it looks like. Wannstedt is saying “How dare that newcomer Graham do that to a PITT legacy who’s All American father is my best friend”.

You may be cursed, or lucky in the case of PITT football I suppose, with a short memory but it was only two years almost to the day when DW stated Sunseri was going to be the starting QB. That’s it, fin, finale.

He did that, publicly, before the 2009 bowl game, reiterated it publicly ever chance he could and stuck with that by not allowing any other QB on the roster to take 1st string snap in any of the camps and practices leading up to the opener.

Sunseri was an unproven QB and we had another player with gameday experience, and wins under his belt, in Pat Bostick. Yet no one else even got the chance to compete for that open QB spot. Not Bostick, Gonzalez, everyone’s fair haired boy Myers… no one got even a look. That bit of patronage was etched in stone early on when Tino Sunseri transferred from North Carolina and was purposely held back a year to be able to play two years at Central Catholic… that is why he’s a 23 year old rsJR.

It was re-cast when Wannstedt never benched Sunseri once, not once, for cause in the middle of that poor play Sunseri showed in 10 out of the 12 regular season games.

So, here is something to think about. DW was willing to trade off a 7-5 season – when his team was loaded with studs at almost every position but QB – because he wouldn’t bench Sal’s kid to try someone else back there. Of course not – that would have been embarrassing for Tino and for his father.

There is your “PITT man” for you. Of course Tino Sunseri keeps in touch with Wannstedt because Wannstedt treated Sunseri like the pampered kid he is and wouldn’t criticize him or sit him down. Hell, DW was Tino Sunseri’s comfort blanket.

If you don’t believe that Wannstedt’s 30 year friendship with Sal Sunseri had a hand in that I’ve a bridge in Brooklyn for you to buy.

I do think it is interesting though that DW doesn’t publicly call out any of the upperclassmen he himself recruited when they turn their backs on Sunseri while he’s on the ground or who won’t sit within ten feet of him on the bench. They did it last year and they did it again this year. These kids aren’t stupid – they know the fix was in last year between DW and Sunseri.

But speaking of legacies don’t you think it is ironic that Tom Ricketts wouldn’t let his son play for Dave Wannstedt but as soon as Graham was hired he wanted his son to transfer to PITT as soon as possible?

Comment by Reed 12.07.11 @ 3:55 pm

Spot on Reed.

Comment by TX Panther 12.07.11 @ 4:57 pm

Very good and most accurate post Reed.

Last year’s team has how many guys in the NFL(?), even saw Henry Hynoski catch a kickoff for the NY Giants on Sunday. So he made that team as a Free Agent. Jabal Sheard is already a star at Cleveland. Jonathan Baldwin caught a pass against none other than the Steelers and was a 1rst round pick as we all know.
Dion Lewis made the Eagles even though they have LeSean McCoy, who is really coming into his own this year. Which btw would have been his first season in the NFL had he stayed for 4. And we have several others as well.

Last year’s team was another 10 or 11 win team had they had a competent QB and the players knew it, which caused team dissension IMO.

Finally, in all other situations DW always went experience when choosing someone to play, other than a phenom like McCoy or Lewis. Always EXCEPT at QB, where his lifelong friend,fellow coach and fellow PITT man’s son was made the ONLY option at QB. (when experience wise, which was DW’s main decision making tool, pointed toward Bostick)

Tino was so assured of his position, that I’ll never forget the time he walked off the field, after another failed drive, he just ignored DW, when DW was trying to tell him something, basically thumbing his nose at him.

Nobody else on the team got away with that crap, and I’m sure the other players took notice !

I posted last year early in the season, that DW had hitched his wagon to Sunseri and when that wagon ended up 7-5 in a watered down BigEast, it cost DW his dream job. Which goes to show you how much this stuff means to some people.

Comment by Emel 12.07.11 @ 7:36 pm

Hate to beat this dead horse, but again those who want to bash Todd Graham for his statements once he was hired.

What would you have him say after the fiasco of Smilin Steve and the Coach selection of Doom. (Haywood).

Well folks this ain’t my team yet, this ain’t my kids so I doubt we will even break .500.

Wow, how would have an already shot locker room have reacted to that statement.

Coach Graham did the only thing he could do which was talk the program up. And be excited. If for nothing else but to try and bring the team back together.

Hey just what he said to the kids about Wanny when he got here showed a great deal of concern about rebuilding a team.

I won’t convince the haters…but let me just say I was torn by this hire. I wanted Wanny to be successful, I wanted Bradley (and I was wrong). I thought his system didn’t match up well witht he talent on the roster.

All that being said, I am willing to wait it out and see what his system can do. He has earned at least a couple of seasons to show results.

DaveD

Comment by DaveD 12.07.11 @ 8:48 pm

Excellent posts Reed, EMEL and DAVED.

Yes, allthough admittedly maybe Coach Graham was a bit over the top, (ok, see I admitted that, a lot of us thought that), DAVE’s post is right on the money, to those that criticize, I say to you also..

What did you want him to do???? I don’t know him one bit, but, after seeing and listening to him this year, I also don’t think it was bs. I believe he thought he was gonna put the pedal to the metal.

Looking back, could he have chosen his words better, or toned it down a tad, sure, probably, he’d probably tell you the same thing.

As for the being positive “let’s go, let’s get it, let’s move”, I’ll take that over listening to someone that would rather have me watching paint dry.

I’ll beat a dead horse also DAVED, from yesterday, I haven’t seen one apologist for Todd Graham yet.

Everyone I see, says just about the same thing.
The guy gets two or three years to see how his coaching works with his recruits.

Believe me, if he doesn’t win some games in the next couple years, the heat will be on him.

Nothing new, and nothing unique to Pittsburgh or college football. That’s the way it is in the coaching profession.

Comment by Dan 12.07.11 @ 11:12 pm

So basically in the Eyes of Wanny, if you were a legacy kid, you did no wrong? No wonder it took his team multiple seasons to finally get back to a bowl game. Good riddens.

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