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November 22, 2011

Has anyone checked to see if WVU AD Oliver Luck is really just some guy who hangs out on message boards and blogs? I mean, for a guy who has a law degree and claims to have positive business experience, he just really likes to spout off. The Big East seems to be his primary target.

In case you missed it there are all sorts of possible reconfigurations to the BCS being tossed about. Getting rid of automatic qualifiers. Letting the big BCS bowls go back to their old system of tying in with conferences directly. Having the BCS only handle the #1 vs. #2 game. All of which is not good for the Big East.

It puts the Big East in the precarious position of not having a big selling point of having a direct path to the big money bowls. It hurts the overall appeal of the Big East’s bowl line-up. And it further weakens the Big East in dealings with Notre Dame. ND is the only thing that keeps the bowl line-up as high as it is, without impeding a Big East BCS Bowl bid.

Oliver Luck, though, can’t just be diplomatic about it. He has a need to make it absolutely clear how happy he is to get out of the Big East.

“In my mind, if we do go back to the old system, where conferences realign themselves with bowls, I can’t see any of the big bowls wanting Big East teams,” Luck said in a telephone interview.

“It will make the delineation even more pronounced between the haves and have-nots,” Luck predicted.

He predicts the remaining power conferences – SEC, Pac 12, Big Ten, ACC and Big 12 – would dominate the slots in the more prestigious bowls, which is why WVU is fortuitous to be jumping to the Big 12.

“We were fortunate to get out,” said the WVU AD. “We got out [of the Big East] when the ship was seriously going down. I mean, only the tip of the sail was showing.”

He focused on the AQ.

“If the AQ goes away,” Luck said, “a Big East team will be forced to go unbeaten. That’s doable. [Conference USA member] Houston, for instance, has a claim. But even then, would that team go into the top 10?

“If the goal is to go to a BCS game, it’s better to play in one of the power conferences.”

[Emphasis added.]

Way to put on the charm offensive with dueling lawsuits pending.

He’s not wrong, mind you, but he’s the guy in charge of the WVU Athletic Department, not “WVCuzLover97.” If you have your school embroiled in lawsuits with the Big East — in no small part to force negotiations — and all you can do is trash them continually in the media… Well, let’s just say that the Big East is not going to be more willing to negotiate. Boston College has barely shown up on Big Eats schedules after the acrimony over the way they left for the ACC

Now consider the scheduling in the future for WVU. Not just football and basketball. These actions are shutting them out of the East. Want to recruit NYC? Going to do a home-and-home with Fordham or Hofstra? That’s your choice because there is no way St. John’s, Rutgers or Seton Hall’s going to put you on the schedule. How about Florida? USF won’t touch you and when UCF comes to the Big East, I’m guessing they are off the board.

Luck better be real sure about being able to make deals with Temple and ACC programs for games. Otherwise, the Hoopies are looking at planning all their major non-con games to the west and south.

Meanwhile the conference the Hoopies are heading towards, have their own issues in credibility and hypocrisy over the coming of WVU and goings of Missouri.

How does the interim head, top Texas marionette, Chuck Neinas feel about WVU doing what they are doing to get to the Big 12?

West Virginia has given assurances to the Big 12 it will play in the conference in 2012 despite an ongoing lawsuit filed by the Big East that seeks to hold the school to a 27-month waiting period.

Big 12 Conference commissioner Chuck Neinas was not specific but told that West Virginia had told the league before and after the Big East filed suit on Nov. 4 that it would be in the Big 12 next year.

“There’s ways to do it, and West Virginia is prepared to do it,” Neinas said.

So, no hard feelings towards Mizzou? Right?

Neinas said dropping below 10 teams would cause league members each to find an extra non-conference game on short notice. He also said dropping below 10 would affect the payout from television partners.

That would reduce the inventory promised to Fox which signed a new 13-year, $1.13 billion deal with the league in April. Also, having to play an eight-game conference schedule would require Big 12 members to schedule another non-conference game less than 10 months from kickoff of the 2012 season.

The Big 12 began playing a full round-robin schedule (nine games) beginning this season. The loss of Missouri would reduce the league to only nine members for 2012.

Neinas is still upset at the way Missouri departed, potentially leaving the league in a lurch. At some point in a 45-day period, Missouri switched from self-described loyal member of the Big 12 to the newest member of the Southeastern Conference, Neinas said. In addition, the school would not allow him to view a key 45-page document that spelled out a reported financial windfall for Missouri in the SEC.

“If an institution wishes to depart the conference, that’s their prerogative,” Neinas said. “But I’m not very happy about the way Missouri handled it…. I don’t think Missouri is going to get any sportsmanship awards from the Big 12 Conference this year.”

To be clear. Bolting the Big 12 on short notice and potentially hurting the scheduling and revenue of Big 12 teams is bad. But it’s okay if WVU does it to come to the Big 12 to eliminate the problem? That’s cool.

I’ve said it before. I would love to see Pitt in the ACC by next year, but I never thought it realistic given when Pitt and Cuse made the move. I much prefer Pitt to leave the ACC and the other programs with some measure of class and respect. The Big East itself can rot, but the other schools don’t deserve the back of the hand. WVU’s actions will make it easier for Pitt and Cuse to negotiate their way out after 2012 rather than the 27 month wait.

Plus, Pitt will likely be able to schedule with the left behind schools in the future. A lot less animosity and court costs.

I just read something in the Tribune Review that I found pretty disturbing. WVU does not have school this week, and apparently they can practice unrestrictedly. Holgersen was quoted as saying ” we will go 12 hours a day if we have to.”

I assume that the hoopies has had this advantage every time we play them after Thanksgiving. Thanksfully, this will end after this year or next.

Remember, while we have a lot of expectations on these major college players, unlike the pros, they are only part time players when school is in session and can only practice a limited amount of hours and days.

Comment by wbb 11.22.11 @ 7:27 am

BTW Chas, a very catchy and poignant blog title.

Comment by wbb 11.22.11 @ 7:29 am

Perhaps Oliver is dumb like a fox. Would you like the Big East Champion, heading to a BCS Bowl, bad mouthing your own conference? Not me. I’d like to get rid of cancer ASAP. The Mountaineer’s are still in the hunt for a Big East Championship.

This weeks Pitt game can make it more interesting for WV, if they win. But I’m putting my $$ on the Panthers. Go Pitt!

Comment by MariettaMike 11.22.11 @ 7:37 am

Maybe Luck’s approach is to continue to badmouth the BE so badly, that the BE will say “please go”

On the other hand, if Marinatta is able to maitain just one bit of respect, WVU is staying .. and hopefully for a couple of years.

BTW, I blame the B12 as much as WVU … they had to be fully aware of the exit provisions in the BE. Further, it takes a large amount of gall to complain about Missouri when they fully condone WVU breaking its contractual obligations .. not to mention the fact that they took in TCU right from under the BE’s nose.

Comment by wbb 11.22.11 @ 7:39 am

So the same league that was threatening legal action to prevent A&M from leaving is now throwing up its hands claiming to be powerless in the face of Missouri’s departure? Give me a fuckin’ break. The temp-commissioner of this Big 9 league is pressuring West Virginia to pull an A&M & Missouri? If the Big East had any kind of leadership, it would be threatening the Big 12. Marinatto is as soft acting as he is soft looking. Good riddance to West Virginia, the pseudo-heated rival of the Johnny Majors II, Walt Harris, and Wannstedt era of Pitt football. Remember, Wannstedt couldn’t even be bothered to have his team prepared for the “Backyard Brawl” in 2009 and 2010. Pitt’s big rival will always be Penn State. West Virginia has been nothing more than an interloper.

Comment by Tonyinhouston 11.22.11 @ 7:47 am

Looks like DickRod is going to coach again at Arizona. Question is will he raid Todd’s staff and is that a bad thing at this point.

On Luck bad mouthing BE, good for him and shame on the commish. The commish had no plan for football, loses TCU, and is now scrambling to get teams like Boise and BYU? How does the commish still have a job?

Comment by pittfan92 11.22.11 @ 8:42 am

Pittfan, I doubt the members of Graham’s staff will just up and move. They are being paid very well at Pitt and they’ve spent a year making the transition with the players, probably bought homes etc. However if Rich Rod can offer them a step up, like going from a position coach to a co-ordinator then that coach will be gone.

Comment by Justinian 11.22.11 @ 10:13 am

Chas, Well Hernando Cortez burned the ships to make sure that his men knew that there was no going back. I don’t think Oliver Luck is trying to make friends and influence people. So what are a few couches, bridges, or hard feelings.

Comment by Justinian 11.22.11 @ 10:22 am

Justinian, Arizona has deep pockets and has paid their coaches much more than what Pitt has paid in the past. Maybe there is a new commitmment from Pitt admin with them giving in to Graham’s salary demands.. for him and his staff. We’ll see

Comment by wbb 11.22.11 @ 10:22 am

Not sure where you got your $ info wbb. Arizona has been incredibly low and only opened up its wallet recently for Sean Miller.

Mike Stoops’ first contract was barely $600,000 and had just hit the $1mil mark last year and the Board of Regents had a conniption. I’m not sure where the money for RichRod is coming from, but there is definitely not going to be a lot of money for assistants. UofA is facing a 50% cut in state funding and has an interim President. I think everyone will all be surprised by how low Rodriguez’s salary is going to be.

Comment by cnorwoodaz 11.22.11 @ 11:48 am

I hope we get out too, but, since we’re talking about conferences, here’s a hypothetical schedule for 2014.

Maybe I will take back my comment from yesterday about we should only schedule one cupcake per year.

If we get put into the Atlantic Division as some early speculation indicates, and we won’t break our contracts with ND and Iowa, 2 of the 3 cupcakes will be broken, you could have a schedule that very well could look like this:

One Cupcake

Notre Dame

Clemson (div)
Fla. St (div)
W.Forest (div)
NC St. (div)
BC (div)
Maryland (div)

Ga Tech (rotate two from other div every yr)
Miami (rotate two from other div every yr)

(other div: GT, Mia, VT, Va, Duke, UNC)

Syracuse (rival from other div, played every yr)

Some years it may be Duke and Virginia, but, either way, some nasty schedules coming our way.

I posted yesterday, (again very early), but seems like ACC people don’t want to do a North/South divisions, they like the competitiveness the divisions have had. Makes me happy, we don’t need a Big East II.

Also, a couple of the presidents have been quoted saying, “we don’t want to do anything until Pitt and Syracuse are represented at the meetings to have their input”!! Talk about a breath of fresh air.

No matter how you slice it, it’s gonna look something like that.

Ramp it up Coach Graham!!!! I’m fired up!!!!

A good start would be whooping those inbreds Friday!! Even though they somewhat landed on their feet (for the time being) in the Big12, they are still extremely pissed about Pitt and Cuse getting into the ACC!!!

Piss em’ off some more boys!!!!! Hail to Pitt!!!

Comment by Dan 11.22.11 @ 11:49 am

I can’t wait to start with an ACC schedule and depart the BE. I hope WV goes the way of the BE, can’t stand that team. Now that joepud is out of the picture I do not see ups burning the phone lines trying to schedule Pitt on a full time basis. That ship sailed.

I never heard of Warminster but they have a boat load of D-1 players. Especially Buttgers and BC has one plus a bunch more eleswhere.

Comment by joel 11.22.11 @ 12:24 pm

Hey Chas, or any law people out there, what’s up with WVU saying they will be in the Big12 one way or another??

What possible out do they have??? I saw you guys talking about injunctions several weeks ago keeping them in???

By the way, voted for you. Can me vote more than once?? The girl from ‘Cuse is kinda cute though!!

Comment by Dan 11.22.11 @ 12:29 pm

cnorwod, I guess I stand corrected. My statemnt was judged on the large payout they gave to Sean. I assumed that if they were willing to shell out that much to the BB coach, they would certainly do the same and probably even more for the FB coach

Comment by wbb 11.22.11 @ 12:39 pm

Chas if BCS only handles 1 vs 2 wont PITT be able to leave before the 27 months because old BCS system with its rules abought number of teams will be no more?

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.22.11 @ 1:05 pm

Hey Frank, how ya doin???

Comment by Dan 11.22.11 @ 1:12 pm

Dan doin ok have been off line a lot becuse of we lost the BB game it hit me hard that and the bad football season i have been kind of down hope we play better to night.

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.22.11 @ 1:49 pm

Dan how are you doin i hope good do you know the answer to what i ask chas and thanks for asking how i am doin.

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.22.11 @ 2:06 pm

What’s up with the BigEast. They have not invited anyone (or maybe they did), nor has anyone accepted.

That story has just sort of disappeared since the other week when supposedly BYU was ‘in’ the picture.
Probably more like ‘on the wish list’.

Perhaps all this talk of BCS shakeup or BCS disintegration means the BigEast for all likely purposes will be a non-player much like C-USA, the WAC and the Sunbelt as far as Major Bowl bids. And if that is the case and they have no Major Bowl tie-ins, there would be no reason for anybody to join it. So that would tie-in with the fact nobody’s been invited, joined, said no thanks, nothing. Unless they’re all relishing a bid to the Compass, Pinstripe or Beef O’Brady’s Bowl. Since the infamous International Bowl is no more ! haha

Comment by EMel 11.22.11 @ 2:07 pm

Yea, what’s up Frank? Haven’t seen you posting for awhile. As far as basketball, we only fell to #16 in the polls. So if they can right the ship, we can move up again into the Top 10 maybe before the non-con is over.

Comment by EMel 11.22.11 @ 2:10 pm

it all starts tonight with LaSalle. We need a W, but we need a blowout as well. So these guys regain some of their confidence.

Read in the PG today, Woodall at 5-10 is averaging more rebound than Taylor who is almost a foot taller. Zanna is averaging around 5 rpg in limited playing time. So while he sometimes looks lost (who doesn’t at this point), he might be a better option than Sleepy at Center. That is if we have to play a center at all.

Truth & Virtue

Let’s Go Pitt !

Comment by EMel 11.22.11 @ 2:17 pm

Rich Rodriguez at his press conference:

“There are 3 or 4 guys that coached with me at West Virginia and at Michigan that I’d like to bring with me. I don’t know if they will come as they are in great situations…”

Comment by cnorwoodaz 11.22.11 @ 2:40 pm

Dan – generally, injunctions are issued when monetary damages are not sufficient to make the aggrieved party whole, or are too difficult to calculate. WVU seems to believe that a court will not issue an injunction and instead rely on money damages. If that is the case, they appear willing to just walk away and await a monetary penalty. I don’t know what the case law in this specific area says, and we don’t know all of the facts, but if it is true that the Big East offered Pitt and Syracuse a buyout (remember that WVU sources floated this a few weeks ago), it might provide some evidence that the Big East itself put a monetary value on early departure. Also, remember that WVU keeps spouting about how the defections of Pitt and Syracuse mortally wounded the conference…again, this may be more of a ploy to reduce damages rather than finding in WVU’s favor. I still find it hard to believe an injunction will not be issued, but stranger things have happened.

In terms of Big East expansions, it seems like they are waiting on some other western school to commit (BYU/SDSU?) before they officially issue invitations. Boise St. won’t commit until a western division is assured. The conference, as tone deaf as they come, doesn’t want to be officially turned down, so they wait. They don’t seem to get that public opinion really can’t get much lower.

A blowout would be nice, but a win tonight…and better defensive play…that’s all that matters.

Comment by Pantherman13 11.22.11 @ 3:31 pm

cnorwood and all, see Zeise’s PG blog just posted about assistant coaches leaving for Arizona — some inside scoop

link to

Comment by wbb 11.22.11 @ 3:32 pm

EMel that is what i was wondering abought if BCS changes do the rules change of how meany teams one needs can we leave sooner do you know?

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.22.11 @ 3:36 pm

EMel it was not that we lost a BB game it was that it was at home and who we lost to if it was say UCLA or ucon so be it .
plus they looked lost may be a sign of things to come i sure hope not.
but i am worried bad football is one thing but bad basketball would be to mutch to take.

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.22.11 @ 3:45 pm

wbb, that is hardly an inside scoop and Zeise is far from an insider as proven over time. He has no idea what these guys would do if offered a better package.

Comment by pittfan92 11.22.11 @ 3:53 pm

Thanks wbb. That makes sense. Gibson probably a goner, the other guys have a much bigger decision to make. Pittsburgh –> Tucson is big a big move.

Comment by cnorwoodaz 11.22.11 @ 3:53 pm

Thanks Pantherman!!! Frank, doing good, thanks.

Emel, Sleepy is comin’ to play tonight!!! Ha Ha

Comment by Dan 11.22.11 @ 4:01 pm

I have never been a “JoePa” fan, but the article in Murdoch’s Journal, passed on through Mr. Smizik is classless. In this situation I cast my vote with the coach. The young lady in question should keep her opinions to herself. The actions of the PSU Ad speak for themselves. There will be much more “news” of the Nittany debacle out there on the forthcoming year. I trust we will not be fed a steady diet if it in the media. The journalists are in a “shark frenzy mode on this feast. Rev. George in Columbus

Comment by Rev. George Mehaffey 11.22.11 @ 4:09 pm

pittfan92, were you aware of the 5 year pacts for some of the Pitt coaches? This is the 1st I heard of it .. and of coourse Zeise doesn’t know what the coaches will di .. hell, even the coaches are not certain at this point what they are going to do.

Comment by wbb 11.22.11 @ 4:37 pm

McGee might go….after all if you were an OC who had Sunseri returning next year, would you want to stay?

Because someone is going to have to take the blame for the continued no octane offense during and after next year. Guess who…..the OC.

We’ll see if McGee can read tea leaves.

Comment by EMel 11.22.11 @ 4:39 pm

EMel that is what i was wondering abought if BCS changes do the rules change of how meany teams one needs can we leave sooner do you know?

Comment by FRANKCAN 11.22.11 @ 3:36 pm

I’m thinking that Oliver Luck knows something is up with the BCS changes (as you say) and this could be a way to end AQ for the BE and Luck knows that this will happen BEFORE too long.

And that is also why, nobody has committed from the laundry list of schools that Marinara has composed. They would be crazy to commmit to a conf, that it’s best bowl game is on a Weds night to fill up some ESPN progam slot, in Mid-December sponsored by some Bank, Restaurant or Farm implement nobody has ever heard of, eaten at or used. (any college grads using farm implements these days except those from Texas A&M and State Penn) haha

Comment by EMel 11.22.11 @ 4:49 pm

Not too concerned about losing assistants who are only one year into the job BUT…

I would hate to see what is shaping up as a nice recruting class picked apart by any key defections to sunny Arizona along with their recruiter.

Comment by Bowling Green Panther 11.22.11 @ 7:19 pm

Bowling Green Panther, Zeise in his blog mentioned that he didn’t think Calvin MaGee would leave, because he has such a good deal at Pitt, but that Tony Gibson may because he is very close with Rich Rod. In any event Todd Graham handled the question well. They’re in good situations at Pitt, but if any decide to leave you wish them the best. I’m sure we will lose someone, but if you only looking to one or two assistant coaching spots that shouldn’t be a problem. Who knows, there may be some available defensive coaches, who can recruit, from the current Penn State and Ohio State staffs.

Comment by Justinian 11.23.11 @ 9:27 am

Urban Meyer is on Ohio State’s and Penn State’s wish list. With all the reports about deals being reached with Ohio State, each quickly followed with and Meyer denial, I expect they will reach a deal within the next few days. With Penn State, I don’t know. A few weeks ago, I was sure that they would make a clean sweep and bring in someone from outside the program. Now I am not so sure. Maybe Tom Bradley has a shot of remaining the head coach.

Comment by Justinian 11.23.11 @ 9:37 am

The seeds of the BE demise started along time ago when sPITT denied entry into the BE of Penn State. Then next came when the All Crybaby Conference took miami, bc and va tech. Several teams were added, but then comes the next raid by the BE, and the back stabbing underhanded two faced sPITT and syrascrewed deal to leave. Then WVU got invited to a real conference the BIG XII, and wants to leave because conference leadership is incompitent, and ONLY WVU was the NADS to go after the BE to get out now before the ship goes down. But I am sure that after WVU leaves, you all will tag on our coat tails to get out before the 27 month wait period. I hope sPITT and the screwed enjoy being at or near the bottom of the useless All Crybaby Conference in football, and get their lunches handed to them in basketball by UNC, Duke, and Wake every year.

Comment by sPITT sux 11.23.11 @ 5:14 pm

I don’t condone or necessarily disapprove of what Luck said. Should he have went to the media publicly? Probably not. Is he right? Yes, he’s 100% dead on about the past and future of the Big East? Is this in any way WVU’s fault? Absolutely not. Face it, this conference will be DOA after we all leave(i.e. Pitt, SU and WVU). There is nothing the Big East can add in terms of football schools to save it. Luck is just trying to secure the future of WVU and to continue to make us viable. To be honest, I feel Pitt and SU should both do the same. Quit worry about what WVU is doing and saying, and try to get your @sses out of the Big East. We’ve all done what we could to try and save this conference, but it is just spiraling out of control.

Comment by Gregg 11.23.11 @ 5:59 pm

@spittsux, don’t you have some sheep that need pounding???

Make sure you tell your sister/neice goodnight, you know, the way you always do!!!!


Comment by Dan 11.23.11 @ 6:25 pm

Hey spit, You’re on the wrong blog. This blog is for people above the idiot level. If you want to post on this site, try to get you facts straight. Penn State was denied entry to the Big East because of their basketball program. The Big East then did not have football at the time. And yes, the Big East blew it, when didn’t include them.

Gregg’s post above is on the money WVU, Pitt, and Syracuse needed to look our for their own best interests, because if they didn’t grab those opportunities another team would have. Louisville certainly would jumped to the Big 12 and UConn would have loved to have taken Pitt’s place in the ACC if given the chance.

Comment by Justinian 11.23.11 @ 6:28 pm

@spittsux, by the way, your daughter/cousin should get a break from you anyhow, cause your Texas’ bitch now!!!! ha ha

Well, not for long, when that Mickey Mouse conference breaks up in a couple years, you’ll be looking for Louisville and South Florida again!!!

Must be nice to have some good away tail gates to go to??? Let’s see, Iowa State’s an easy drive, what’s that, about 1000 miles to your closet “rival”!!!!!

Hey, leave for Lubbock on Wednesday night, you should get there by next Tuesday!!!!!

Comment by Dan 11.23.11 @ 6:28 pm

Oh, one other thing. Don’t be upset and hold grudges.

Just because the ACC denied you because of your poor academics, and the SEC denied you because of your football level, don’t take it out on us.

Hey, Uncle Charlie took you for a couple years, you should be happy.

I heard Waco’s only a couple thousand miles away!!!!!!! LOL

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