September 20, 2011

Big East Commissioner John Marinatto finally staggered out of his darkened office. A paperweight was embedded in his computer, and empty bottles of wine lay strewn about the office. He spoke to the New York Times about some things.

Marinatto said in a telephone interview that he planned to hold Syracuse and Pittsburgh to their 27-month contractual exit obligations, meaning that they would not be able to leave the Big East until June 2014.

This was expected. There was no way the Big East was just going to tell Pitt and Syracuse to just go on their merry way. No hard feelings. Simply put, this was the opening of negotiations for Pitt and Syracuse to leave the Big East. You don’t concede your biggest piece of leverage in negotiations at the start. Not even John Marinatto and the Big East do that.

Pitt and Syracuse know they are going to have pay more than simply $5 million to walk away. At a minimum they will probably have to forfeit their share of TV money for this year as well. Other valuable items up for negotiation will include their percentage of money the conference receives for NCAA Tournament appearances — actually quite lucrative after this past year’s run by UConn and all the teams that made it to the Tourney. As well as their cut from the BCS and bowl games.

One other reason not to sweat the Big East threat, is that there might not be a Big East by next year. The Big East football schools and Big 12 leftovers are talking merger — more likely under the rubric of the Big 12. This makes sense since they have a new TV deal — that may be renegotiated but better than the Big East’s and they have the Fiesta Bowl affiliation along with better bowl affiliations.

But back to Marinatto who continues to put on the brave face of delusion.

“We have a track record of coming out stronger than we did before,” Marinatto said, referring the A.C.C.’s raid of three Big East teams in 2003. “We may even hold the opening round of our basketball tournament in Greensboro,” a frequent site of the A.C.C. tournament, he said in jest.

With the departure of Syracuse and Pitt, the Big East is down to 7 teams in football and 15 in basketball, including Texas Christian, which arrives next year.

Of course if the merger with the Big 12 falls apart, TCU might be better served going back to the Mountain West — which would welcome them back since it would probably get them that AQ bid.

Marinatto also deflected blame from himself for the bad state of the Big East. Syracuse bloggers, dispute his notion.

What he’s never understood is that perception is reality, and in today’s wild west, no holds barred conference landscape, that’s never been more true. Right now conferences will beg, borrow and steal to protect their futures and line their pockets and John Marinatto is the last guy you want protecting your back.  I wouldn’t leave John Swofford alone in a room with my wife for two seconds, but I’d let her go snorkeling in Aruba with Big John.

If he had done anything at all to try and correct the perception that he was weak, he might have had a chance. If he hadn’t found out his conference was getting raided from a member of the media, he might have had a chance.  Love him or hate him, Tranghese was respected by others through the sheer force of his personality.  If Marinatto had projected one-tenth the amount of strength of his predecessor, things might be different.

Ah, Tranghese. Fresh off his successful consulting gig with Memphis. How’d that work to get Memphis into the Big East a BCS conference go?

Mike Tranghese was in demand with the Big East about to go boom.  He did TV with ESPN. Radio with a NYC blowhard.  Tranghese, proceeded to crap on everyone. He doesn’t believe Jim Boeheim, Jim Calhoun and Jamie Dixon will ever coach in the ACC. He then proceeded to rip Big East football as a whole.

“The bottom line is that the Big East’s problem has always been that they’re just not good enough in football. That made them vulnerable, even though the league became, without question, the best basketball league in the country.

“But all of this expansion has to do with football and money.”

And football has been the one thing that Tranghese has never handled well.  On the Banks (Rutgers) has much more of the outrage than I can muster towards Tranghese. Then again, for some reason he put himself through actually listening to the interview.

BECAUSE YOU INVITED THE 2003 ACC RAID BY TRYING TO DESTROY BIG EAST FOOTBALL IN 1998, YOU CORRUPT, LYING BUFFOON! GAVITT EXPLICITLY FORMED THE LEAGUE TO STRANGLE JOE PATERNO’S ALL SPORTS CONFERENCE IN ITS CRIB! Football runs the roost because football produces more revenue than basketball, which is clear to anyone who doesn’t think that Led Zeppelin is at the cutting edge of rock music. How wonderful is it that we’ll soon be able to recall the two Mikes’ dream conference in the past tense?

The most telling thing from the interview was Tranghese being asked if he would help the Big East right now in its time of need.

Tranghese: Well my, my, the one person (sic) I’m gonna help is Providence College…

In other words, what he and the Big East offices have been doing for 30 plus years.

Pitt Script has some good comments on the issue. As does Paul Zeise.

The Fan reports ‘eers rejected by both SEC and ACC.

Reason? Burning sofas not environmentally sensitive

Comment by steve 09.20.11 @ 1:52 pm

On the Banks has been excellent in its takedown of Marinatto this week. The two pieces Chas linked to this week are well worth the read.

Comment by matt42 09.20.11 @ 1:59 pm

WVU gets Rejected from ACC and SEC reporting CBSSPORTs – Brett McMurphy. lol

Comment by humza 09.20.11 @ 2:02 pm

bad news is with wvu denied, sec may go after florida state and clemson…
we leave 1 weak fb conf for another one?

Comment by mike 09.20.11 @ 2:02 pm

The way PITT gets to leave early is if ACC takes two more teams from big east and some one takes one more team. If that happens the big east is no more . But if big 12 does not fall apart and every one else stays as they are now. we will have to stay for 27 months . so lets hope big 12 falls apart or we could be screwed on time frame. what do you think am i right?

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.20.11 @ 2:08 pm

If the Big East disbands next year, can Pitt sue them for not allowing them a 27-month exit period?

Comment by Lou 09.20.11 @ 2:15 pm

“I wouldn’t leave John Swofford alone in a room with my wife for two seconds, but I’d let her go snorkeling in Aruba with Big John.”

– wish I would have said that

There should be no doubt that the downfall of BE football lies with having 3 straight commisioners from Providence College, a BB only schol.

Mr. Tranghese (hope to God you’re reading this) … what f__king value has Providence provided to the other members in the Big East for the last 2 decades?

The fact is that they along with a handful of other BB only members have profited by the success of others, mostly the FB members … and you know it.

Comment by wbb 09.20.11 @ 2:21 pm

I just looked into my crystal ball and saw the following:

1) Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, & Oklahoma State leave the Big-12 to finalize the creation of the Pac-16… America’s 1st super conference.

2) The Big-12 & Big East immediately negotiate a meshing of the leftovers. They stay with the title Big-12 to keep their BCS ties. Notre Dame may or may not join.

3) Pitt and Syracuse (followed by Rutgers & U-Conn) immediately are left out of the Big East and join America’s 2nd super conference – the ACC.

All of this will happen before the Final 4 this year.

Comment by Panther3321 09.20.11 @ 2:24 pm

Replace F State and Clemson with ND and State Penn then. Otherwise, Butgers and UConn are good bets. ACC in the driver’s seat now. State Penn will be surrounded by ACC schools effectively starving their fan base and hurting recruiting on the East coast. Penn State pride will destroy them if they refuse the offer because it is there.

Comment by TX Panther 09.20.11 @ 2:29 pm

melvin and i both told you all yesterday that WVU had no chance at ACC becuse of academics and that they might get into SEC but only if SEC went to 16 teams becuse not enough people in state and bad academics.

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.20.11 @ 2:31 pm

TX Panther penn state will never leave big 10

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.20.11 @ 2:37 pm

It looks like all the other conferences are waiting on what Oklahoma does. When Oklahoma makes a decision, then the dominoes will fall. The unknown is how much clout Oklahoma has over Texas and their television network along with how much the PAC 12 is willing to bend over for Texas. Somehow I do not see USC, Stanford, Cal, etc. being all that desperate for a Texas with their own television network. Oklahoma is the key. If they go to the PAC 12, the SEC takes Texas A&M and either Missouri or West Virginia. I think the ACC is as united as any conference can be at this time. The ACC still needs to convince Rutgers to join once Oklahoma makes up their mind.

Comment by John In South Carolina 09.20.11 @ 2:42 pm

John RU needs no convincing, they’d jump in a heartbeat.

Comment by steve 09.20.11 @ 2:49 pm

In retrospect the Big East was doomed from the start as a basketball conference with some BCS football members – wrong transition from the era of Eastern football independents.

Notre Dame’s arrogance is funny, particularly since I’ve read that the ACC is the only conference they would ever consider joining (if they can’t maintain their status quo).

Comment by San Diego Panther 09.20.11 @ 2:51 pm

If acc does not take two more from big east and if big 12 does not brake up we do 27 months in big east thats a fact.

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.20.11 @ 2:54 pm


Rutgers is in the strongest bargaining position it ever had with the Big Ten, their preferred conference. With Maryland, Syracuse, and Pitt in the ACC the Big Ten only has one potential member in the east to get into the eastern markets. If Rutgers goes to the ACC, Penn State is isolated by itself in the east. UConn is not and never has been Big Ten material.

Comment by John In South Carolina 09.20.11 @ 2:57 pm

Neither is Rutgers

Comment by steve 09.20.11 @ 2:57 pm

One thing Chas did not mention is that the Big East basketball schools including Notre Dame met yesterday and Big East football schools are meeting today. That is the best example of what is inherently wrong with the Big East and why Pitt and Syracuse left it.

Comment by John In South Carolina 09.20.11 @ 3:06 pm

Man I hope the Big Ten takes Buttgers. I’d rather have almost anyone else to go with UConn (ND, Louisville,
Cincy). I would want WVU but that doesn’t seem realistic

Comment by Tony C 09.20.11 @ 3:06 pm

Any chance we can take Kentucky from the SEC? One more bball school!

Comment by Tony C 09.20.11 @ 3:08 pm

I would tend to agree with you about Rutgers not being a Big Ten school but the Big Ten has to do something to help out Penn State. If Penn State had any sense, they would swallow their pride and join the ACC. The ACC would welcome them with open arms.

Comment by John In South Carolina 09.20.11 @ 3:11 pm

Does anyone think the ACC could go to 18? Assuming the dream scenario of bringing in PSU and ND in the new ACC, could we also get RU and UCONN then. What a conference that would be!

Comment by Alex P 09.20.11 @ 3:17 pm

John in south carolina melvin and i both posted yesterday that the non football teams were meeting yesterday but it was with out ND just the 7 BB schools you must not have read all the posts.

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.20.11 @ 3:18 pm

I agree with Mike T on the BE Football sucking part– that Pitt and SU were the cause of the problem. I’ve said this many times, BE FB was a bust/joke because of three teams: Pitt, Syracuse and Louisville. WVU, far and away, excelled on the FB field and in the BCS games. Pitt (and Syracuse) had the tradition and the opportunity, but failed miserably on the main stage or was plain awful (Cuse last 5 years). If Pitt and Syracuse could have mustered respectable teams/coaches/quality wins on a consistent basis, the BE could have been in a different position (aggressor rather than a victim). Louisville– who was meant to save the BE FB with a SEC style team– never lived up to the hype. Much like TCU will be… a wanna be. So be it. Our great Basketball Program and a great academic standing saved us….thank God. Let’s get in the ACC ASAP before they get buyer’s remorse.

And please, don’t think for one minute our FB team provides any interest or value to the ACC. Yes, we have some history…but for the most part, what we saw in Iowa has been the modern day Pitt…. huge terds on national TV….

Comment by Pauly P 09.20.11 @ 3:25 pm

The dream scenario is obviously ND and Penn St, let’s hope the Pac-16 happens, and get’s the balls rollilng.

Comment by BnG 09.20.11 @ 3:28 pm

Frankcan: Was it confirmed that Notre Dame did not attend?

Comment by John In South Carolina 09.20.11 @ 3:28 pm

If State Penn doesn’t swallow their pride, their football program will be destroyed. They can be elite again in an Eastern conference. So, suck it up and follow Pitt to the ACC.

State Penn will be an isolated Big 10 school in the Northeast/Mid-Atlantic where the vast majority of their alumni reside. These are words of wisdom that I give to you Poopy Pants. As a Pitt fan and alumnus, I hope you don’t follow my advice and continue on with your Nitter arrogance and bitterness.

HTP and the ACC

Comment by TX Panther 09.20.11 @ 3:30 pm

the SEC claims that if it expands, they want to do it outside of their geographic footprint .. i.e., Texas A&M to get the Texas market.

If they are to be believed, then Florida St and Clemson would not be their preference, but Missouri which is handy to St Louis and Kansas City would be attractive to them.

Comment by wbb 09.20.11 @ 3:34 pm

But Pauly history counts and we did beat a SEC team in our bowl game and we did average a 9 and 3 record for last thee years and we can beat duke and wake forest and at least 4 outher ACCteams in football right now so we would not be the worst footall team in ACC this year if we were there now and we did share big eastcrown in football last yrar and that is all looked at are you really from penn state or our you from WVU .

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.20.11 @ 3:39 pm

Not is all doom and gloom for the remnants of the Big East and Big 12.

Even without a Kansas/Kansas St. and Missouri they could still form an AQ qualifier conference:


How different is this than when the Big East formed out or remnants of conferences. This one would have some pretty good teams to keep it’s status.


Comment by DaveD 09.20.11 @ 3:40 pm

John in south carolina yes the post read the seven big east BB schools minus ND meet.

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.20.11 @ 3:47 pm

everyone brace yourself

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Comment by wbb 09.20.11 @ 3:49 pm

DAVED THAKE Boise out they wont come and take out BYU put in iowa st kansas st and UCF and you are right abought the rest

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.20.11 @ 3:55 pm

Well. I AM RELIEVED! Everything will be just dandy now in college football because Papa Joe has bestowed his blessing on Pitt and Syracuse accepting the invitation to the ACC party. Television is calling the shots and the universities are following the money. Pitt and ‘Cuse will do just fine in the forthcoming alignment. Do not dispair Panther fans you will survive a conference which does NOT include the Mountaineers. Inside of three years the Big East will be a footnote in the annals of collegiate sports. Rev. George in Columbus where the Buckeyes are diligently preparing to face the “mighty Colorado” hoardes from Boulder. Where?

Comment by Rev. George Mehaffey 09.20.11 @ 4:09 pm

John in south carolina i want to ask you what you think of this i think the ACC wants kansas and are waiting to see if big 12 brakes up. if they do they offer kansas and ucon as 15 and 16 if not they take rutgers and ucon i think they want to be number 1 in BB AM I NUTS?

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.20.11 @ 4:12 pm

ACC will stay in the Eastern time zone except if Notre Dame wants to join, mark it down.

Swofford started the fire, now he’s waiting to sift through the ashes.

Comment by BnG 09.20.11 @ 4:24 pm

If Joe Paterno that gave the interview in the Post Gazette article was twenty years younger and had the clout he had then, I would think that there was another game afoot and Penn State was in play. Unfortunately he has very little clout. I still think that the ACC wants to keep to an eastern footprint. The ACC is trying to convince Rutgers to seal the deal. With Paterno’s comments they may inquire with Penn State if they get Rutgers. I assume Penn State will not be interested in talking to the ACC even then. The ACC goes and takes UConn and that is the final alignment for the ACC. If Rutgers does not come to the ACC, UConn will come and I do not know who else at this point. I need to ponder that a while.

Comment by John In South Carolina 09.20.11 @ 4:29 pm

But john have you not seen the posts were ACC was thinking abought texas and kansas i think texas is out but kansas would add to BB and BB means a lot to the ACC i am sure ucon is in but rutgers only gets in if they dont get kansas. rutgers is a good school but they dont bring mutch in BB or football.

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.20.11 @ 4:43 pm

Swofford would love any combination of ND, PSU or UConn ( 2of the 3) … but of course ND or PSU doesn’t seem likely … but, who knows .. this past Friday afternoon, who on this site had anything good to say about the ACC

Comment by wbb 09.20.11 @ 4:46 pm

Now that we have Joe Pa’s blessing and have called selfish by of all people Notre Dame’s AD, I guess we can proceed to the ACC. Poor Notre Dame, I guess they will no longer have the best of both worlds. Being able to keep all the CBS TV money to themselves and get to play basketball in the Big East along with all their non-revenue sports. The Big East certainly didn’t get any help from Notre Dame during the last restructuring of the conference when they lost Boston College, Va Tech, and Miami. I especially took exception to his comments about not scheduling Pitt in the future.

Comment by Justinian 09.20.11 @ 4:47 pm

I think the talk of Texas going to the ACC is more on the part of Texas. They were hoping that the ACC would acquiesce to taking them and their television network “as is”. Fortunately the ACC presidents and commissioner would have no part of it. I also believe that the ACC wants to keep an eastern footprint. If you recall, the first raid on the Big East was to include Syracuse. This gave them further options later to fill in the remaining open spots on the east coast. Pitt finally getting feed up with the Providence dominated Big East was more than the ACC could ever had wished. The ACC now is in the driver’s seat on the eastern seaboard.

Comment by John In South Carolina 09.20.11 @ 4:55 pm

Pauly,The ACC seems to be the only conference that gives a damn about basketball. In that regard we’re going the right place. I believe Swafford put more thought into this than he’s given credit for. They are looking at the invitations to Pitt & Syarcuse from a lot of differnt angles. They like the geographic footprint closing in the gap from Maryland to New England, they are two strong basketball programs, and they are adding TV sets in Pennsylvania and New York.

Comment by Justinian 09.20.11 @ 4:59 pm

I cannot believe the euphoria behind the move to the ACC and how people think it is a great move. Well, let’s face it – who really thinks that Pitt, a team that could never outright win a Big East football title in 20 years of the conference’s football existence (OK – the planets aligned and BC lost it’s last game in 2004 so Pitt fell into the BCS bowl as a result of the tiebreaker only to get throttled by Utah)can compete in the ACC???? Pitt will be the 6th best team at best with VA Tech, Miami, Clemson, Georgia Tech, and Florida State always ahead of us. Those with pipe dreams of now being easier to get to a BCS bowl game are out of their minds. Pitt fans are on a roll now completely dissing the BE teams and how weak a conference it is yet we could never take a title. What pathetic fans! As for basketball, instead of being UConn’s stepchild, now we can get spanked by Duke and UNC. But of course, who cares, because Pitt will be “raking in the money” and that’s all that matters. Keep listening to Stevie P’s and Nordenberg’s hype and cliches we hear all the time everywhere else and drink the spiked kool-aid. Just like we had to tear down the on-campus stadium because it wasn’t good enough for them, just like we had to change the name from Pitt to Pittsburgh and get rid of the script and put the pit bull on the helmet, here we go again. You can make all these stupid superficial changes, but when it all comes down to it, Pitt will be a mediocre football program and the hoops team will continue to choke in the NCAAs as always. But again, who cares, because the $$$$ keeps rolling in, right???!!! It’s funny how a school with a $1 billion and counting endowment keeps crying for money and then keeps throwing all of it at the sports teams. Only 4 more days until we get shredded by the Fighting Irish passing attack. It won’t be pretty………

Comment by Louis Greenberg 09.20.11 @ 5:03 pm

And please, don’t think for one minute our FB team provides any interest or value to the ACC. Yes, we have some history…but for the most part, what we saw in Iowa has been the modern day Pitt…. huge terds on national TV….
Comment by Pauly P 09.20.11 @ 3:25 pm

Couldn’t disagree with you more Pauly P. You mustn’t have been following this whole conference realignment thing very closely. FOOTBALL NOT BASKETBALL IS DRIVING THIS WHOLE PROCESS. And on top of football is TV revenue with new football tv revenue areas for a given conference. In this case the ACC is bringing in the #20 TV market(Pittsburgh) in America and PITT football games have ALWAYS GARNERED SOME OF THE BEST RATINGS ON ESPN OR ABC.

AND REGARDLESS of what you think, PITT football has a very strong national brand and an almost unequaled tradition and history. Name the schools with more than 9 National Championships in football. Name a school that’s produced better NFL players and iconic players than Pitt.

Pitt’s basketball greatness is pretty much limited to one decade. 2001-2011. PITT’s football tradition spans 100 years. Now perhaps your a kid, so I’ll give you a pass this time.
Especially since you apparently are a Pitt student, alum or fan.

Comment by melvinbennett 09.20.11 @ 5:04 pm

And the ACC was certainly interested in our Academic integrity, which as you can see with the reports that WVU has been told:

Thanks…..but no thanks.

What with WVU being ranked #164 in the latest US News & World Report Rankings.

Comment by melvinbennett 09.20.11 @ 5:08 pm

JOHN IN S C Did you know that kansas chancellor came from north carolina were she was prouost the second in charge at nc and that she has a lot of frends there. do you still think kansas is out of the runing what great BB pitt the orange men kansas NC duke.

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.20.11 @ 5:08 pm

Is Joepa just relieved he no longer has to worry about Pitt joining the B1G? With that weight removed from his shoulders, he’ll definitely be around for the rematch in 2016.

Comment by Gopitt33 09.20.11 @ 5:16 pm

Based upon the BigEast’s horrid bowl lineup, which previously was influenced by the Notre Dame agreement. One would be led to believe that some people must have been in the know about the events that have unfolded so far and about the events that are to occur.

Comment by melvinbennett 09.20.11 @ 5:17 pm

I’ll see your Rutgers and raise you 2 UCONNs.

Comment by Dr. Tom 09.20.11 @ 5:18 pm

Comment by Louis Greenberg 09.20.11 @ 5:03 pm

@Louis Greenberg.

How do you get thru everyday being so negative?
Wow, take a pill or something.

Comment by melvinbennett 09.20.11 @ 5:20 pm

I read on Orangebloods last nite.

ACC would like a Texas/Mizzou combo, but that might be a deal killer since Texas would have to bring it’s dwarf along (TT).

And the ACC doesn’t want a Tier 3 school like TT, which is even lower rated than WVU I believe. Or somewhere in that low range.
Whereas Mizzou is a good academic school.

Comment by melvinbennett 09.20.11 @ 5:24 pm

Wbb can you tell me what kansas number is PITT WAS 58 UCON 62 could you post that and kansas st also thank you .

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.20.11 @ 5:27 pm

melvinb.. you forget the increased market for TV sales, after us Pitt guys put our shoes or feet through the TV. (A great win brings no love to the TV, but a loss is immediately focuses on the screen..) P.S. or the empty bottle if the demise is slow…

Comment by CompLit 09.20.11 @ 5:28 pm

They’d also take Texas/Kansas combo.
But they would prefer Texas/Mizzou. Mizzou has a very good football program now and they’ve always had a good basketball program. While not as good as KU’s , Mizzou’s football is much better and they’re better academically.

Got to admit gents, this conference realignment game has me addicted. It’s like when we used to play the game of ‘Risk’ all the time.

Comment by melvinbennett 09.20.11 @ 5:28 pm

LOL CompLit,

Yeah as long as Tino is put out there as QB it’s going to be very frustrating for those of us who want PITT to be something more than 7-6 or 8-5.

Comment by melvinbennett 09.20.11 @ 5:30 pm

Agreed Melvin, any talk of Texas Tech joining the ACC is nonsense. Texas Tech is ranked 160, just a shade above WVU and Louisville.

Comment by sweet caroline 09.20.11 @ 5:30 pm

Dear melvinbennett: There’s a difference between negativity and reality. I’m just being realistic. I’ve been a Pitt fan longer than you have probably been on this earth and I see the ruin that SP and Nordy have done. Regardless, I am willing to bet you that Pitt will lose a minimum of 6 games this year including Iowa: ND, Utah, UConn, USF, and WVU. Mark my words. Then you will see the difference between reality and negativity. I guess you’re happy Pitt gets to go to these meaningless low level bowls all the time as a member of the big east. You’re happiness won’t be ruined, because that string will continue or probably get worse (no bowls at all) after we start in the ACC.

Comment by Louis Greenberg 09.20.11 @ 5:31 pm

MELVINBENNETT HI FREND if you read the posts i have said the all most same thing to pauly he is most likely from WVU . did you know the kansas chanceller is from NCwere she used to be second in charge there and has a lot of frends in the ACC.

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.20.11 @ 5:38 pm

Here you go Frankcan

Kansas is #101
Oklahoma is tied at #101
KSU is at #143

Mizzou is at #90

Here’s part of the list, from 100-150

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Comment by melvinbennett 09.20.11 @ 5:41 pm

Louis, not really sure what your point is…by your logic Pitt sucks and will be relegated to meaningless bowls and losing seasons despite what conference they were in???

The move to the ACC, was first and foremost, necessary to preserve Pitt athletics at the major level. You saw that 10 schools applied for membership to the ACC. How many of those do you think were Big East schools? At least 4 or 5, if Villanova even applied then perhaps it was more. Bottom line is, this conference was going down one way or the other and I think most of us are just thankful that we got off the ship before it sank.

Most of us are sad to leave the Big East behind, but most of us also realize that it was doomed in the end. Would you rather be in Rutgers/UConn/Louisville/WVU’s shoes now?

Also, the $1bn endowment that you cited is peanuts. There are schools out there with 20-30x that amount, this move has absolutely nothing to do with endowments. Yes, it has to do with $, but why should Pitt or any other football school be sharing football generated revenues with non-football schools? That is the primary reason the Big East ultimately fell apart.

Keep being realistic or negative or whatever you want to call it. I’m sure you’ll be back after the next loss in football or next time we get knocked out of an NCAA tournament without winning the National Championship. If being able to say “I told you so” means more to you than aspiring to bigger things and continuing to compete, even in the face of gut wrenching losses and failures (what sports is all about), please don’t bother to celebrate with us when we do win.

Comment by sweet caroline 09.20.11 @ 5:42 pm

Yeah I figured KU has some connections with UNC since Royboy Williams(Huckleberry Hound) used to coach there and I believe UNC’s legendary coach Dean (DeanDome) Smith is a Kansas alum himself and I heard him speak at a dinner one time, and mentioned he played at KU under another legend,
Phog Allen.

So there might be more to the KU going to the ACC angle then meets the eye.

Comment by melvinbennett 09.20.11 @ 5:46 pm

Melvin thanks so kansas is a go kansas st is out The ACConly takes schools from 101 down nothing above that.

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.20.11 @ 5:49 pm

@ Louis Greenberg

I’ve been a Pitt fan longer than you have probably been on this earth and I see the ruin that SP and Nordy have done.
Comment by Louis Greenberg 09.20.11 @ 5:31 pm

Well unless you became a Pitt fan in the 1950’s and you’re a really old guy, I doubt that.

Chancellor Nordenberg has done so much for PITT both academically and athletically one has to assume; either you’re totally nuts or a troll.

Comment by melvinbennett 09.20.11 @ 5:51 pm


Unless KU is tethered to KSU as Texas is apparently to TT.

Comment by melvinbennett 09.20.11 @ 5:53 pm


Boise will go where there is an automatic BCS bid.

The Big East/12 will do this to keep the bid together.

It would be stupid not to consider it.


Comment by DaveD 09.20.11 @ 5:53 pm


I think I read somewhere that KU is tethered to KSU because of the state legislature.

Not sure where I read it so take it with a grain of salt.


Comment by DaveD 09.20.11 @ 5:56 pm

“I guess you’re happy Pitt gets to go to these meaningless low level bowls all the time as a member of the big east”
Comment by Louis Greenberg 09.20.11 @ 5:31 pm

You obviously must be a newbie troll. Since you’ve apparently never read any of my posts concerning this issue.

Comment by melvinbennett 09.20.11 @ 5:57 pm

CBS is reporting that a deal with Navy was to be finalized a two weeks.

link to

If true, why the hell did that not happen two months ago? The BE has always been one step too slow in protecting its football interests.

Comment by Chuck Morris 09.20.11 @ 6:08 pm

Actually I don’t think money was the biggest overriding concern here people.

PITT has over a $2 Billion Dollar Endowment. Upon entrance into the ACC this will immediately place us at #3 in Endowment in a 14 school league.

Only Duke (go figure) and UVA(think Thomas Jefferson) have larger endowments.

PITT is NOT hard up for money obviously. If we were really ALL about the money we could have replaced Texas A&M in the Big 12 and got a much larger payday immediately ($18-20 million) As Orangebloods reported, Texas & OU were hot after PITT to replace A&M and help keep the Big 12 intact, at least for the foreseeable future. PITT did not see the Big 12 as an Academic fit, nor do they have any research partners (which is huge at PITT) in the Big 12, THEY DO HAVE RESEARCH PARTNERS IN THE ACC. If PITT was ALL about the money they would have gone to the Big 12.

Now don’t get me wrong, money was to some extent, most definitely a factor, but I don’t think it was the OVERRIDING factor. After all we don’t know what the revamped ACC TV contract will bring in terms of TV revenue. As of right now, it’s only marginally better TV revenue than what we get now. The mismanagement of the BigEast football conference and the instability of that conf. also weighed heavily in our move. Again PITT is in great condition, financially.

Contrary to the garbage being printed by the presstitutes over at CBS and ESPN, the greed and huge profits(ESPN alone made over $400 Million on College football last year) and the hypocrisy all rests with them.

Comment by melvinbennett 09.20.11 @ 6:17 pm

There are reports on ESPN that Oklahoma has stated they will consider staying in the Big 12 if reforms are made with the Texas Longhorn Network and if commisioner Dan Beebe goes. Also that Missouri has an offer on the table from the SEC but is waiting to see how things go with Oklahoma and Texas.

Comment by Justinian 09.20.11 @ 6:20 pm

None of this realignment stuff is happening WITHOUT THE TV NETWORK PLAYERS (espn/abc, cbs & fox sports) ‘signing off’ on this.

As I blogged before ESPN and it’s creation of the Longhorn Network helped to precipitate the current state of affairs in the Big 12. It’s ESPN(& others) who is funding the money to make all of this happen. ESPN is the crack dealer in ALL of this. Then they try to play neutral-independent journalists/reporters. What a farce.

Comment by melvinbennett 09.20.11 @ 6:29 pm

If true that WVU was denied entrance to the ACC and the SEC, I believe that they are finally paying for their fans’ drunken, loutish behavior. The SEC is comprised of fine southern gentlemen who have no interest in adding a school whose fans burn furniture win or lose. I experienced it firsthand last year driving thru West Virginia by the raised middle fingers and aggressive driving antics from a few just because I had PA plates. They are finally reaping what they sowed.

Comment by longsufferingpittfan 09.20.11 @ 6:41 pm

Mizzou President is apparently leading an effort to stabilize the Big 12. Which could mean that the SEC has rejected Mizzou. Because all of a sudden Mizzou, which wanted OUT, now wants to try to keep it together. Perhaps the two ‘kings’ are also getting cold feet about going out west.

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Comment by melvinbennett 09.20.11 @ 6:41 pm

Oklahoma State mega booster Boone Pickens was quoted by The Oklahoman saying Pickens had called Texas Gov. Rick Perry, a former yell leader at Texas A&M, to try and fix the Big 12, including keeping the Aggies from bolting for the Southeastern Conference.

This keeps getting funnier all the time.
That’s enter-tain-ment !

Comment by melvinbennett 09.20.11 @ 6:46 pm

melvinbennett I know what is happening now check this out the ACC is waiting on big 12 here is there first chose texas and kansas if texas goes some were else . than second chose kansas and ucon if kansas goes some were else than it is ucon and i dont know who becuse rutgers is 143 and they wont take them you know they wont . plus i said yesterday oklahoma whould stay in big 12 if texas whould share there tv money and if that happens we are stuck in big east for 27 mounths.

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.20.11 @ 6:52 pm

@ Louis Greenberg, “I’ve been a Pitt fan longer than you have probably been on this earth”. Glad to hear that, which means that you’re really, really old and soon will be dead you worthless troll.

So keep posting away during your few remaining days, loser.

Comment by Dr. Tom 09.20.11 @ 6:58 pm


I believe Rutgers is higher rated than that. They aren’t that far behind PITT which is #58. Plus they are a member of the AAU like PITT. The L1G wouldn’t have been looking at them if they were #143.

If B12 stays intact, ACC might then take Uconn & Rutgers to sew up the East Coast entirely.
Also hems in the L1G.

Comment by melvinbennett 09.20.11 @ 7:05 pm

lol Dr. Tom

Trolls be gone. Don’t rain on my ACC parade.

Comment by melvinbennett 09.20.11 @ 7:06 pm

melvinbennett you do know that unless the ACC takes two more schools from the big east that we will have to stay for 27 more mounths. and that is for sure if big 12 stays togther. i mean we are still in ACC but hells bells.

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.20.11 @ 7:09 pm

melvin on thst list you sent me they were 143 please look at it and get back to me .

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.20.11 @ 7:14 pm


That #143 ranking for Rutgers that you saw was for a branch campus of theirs in Newark. (I’m sure it’s a lovely campus, haha)

The Main Branch in East Brunswick/Piscataway is around #68. So that is well within what the ACC wants. Cause RU’s athletics aren’t too hot.
And whether they can deliver TV ratings is debatable.

Comment by melvinbennett 09.20.11 @ 7:15 pm

i know this is all about football here, but i’m anxious to hear what jamie dixon has to say about all of this… i don’t want to lose him

Comment by usd121 09.20.11 @ 7:27 pm

melvinbennett I read big east is meeting with football schools tomarrow and the way it read was if you want to stay fine if not get out if you are ucon you are in a tight box do you call ACC TONIGHT IF THEY WANT TO KNOW RIGHT THAN AND THERE WHAT DO YOU DO.

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.20.11 @ 7:38 pm


Comment by FRANKCAN 09.20.11 @ 7:41 pm

Hey Fellas!! Mel. Frank, Reed, Dr. Tom, Dan 72 and others. Haven’t been able to post for a day or two. Maybe that’s a good thing for some!!!

Anyhow, what I have noticed quite a bit, on the radio, the net, etc. etc. , and I’m not telling you guys anything………….

Beware of a lot, I mean a lot, of trolls. Best thing to happen to Pitt since Majors, Dorsett, Sherill and Marino, and a lot of people are upset out there.

First off, the old, MSG, New York Times, cigar smoking old sportwriters. That was their little basketball league and dealt to mid-major level.
Not that Pitt, Syracuse, UCONN were also football playing members, and have pretty much held the torch for the past 10 years.

Maybe they should have paid heed a little bit more too them. So, watch the sportswriters from the East Coast, with some negativity, their gonna lose recruits, they’ll stink etc. etc.

Other Big East schools, thats a no brainer, some are getting left at the station. I don’t necessarily relish in this, but, thank goodness we’re on the right side this time.

For friggin’ once!!!

Suprisingly, maybe not all, and maybe not even many, but some Penn State people.

I think some of them liked being able to tell us we were in the “Big Least”. Sorry baby, sports and academics!!!

Also, they may be realizing, wtf, why are we in a midwestern conference.

Penn Staters, no need to jump me, not saying all or even a lot of you, just a few on 93.7. Hey Big 10 is a great conference, not being sarcastic, really is, but I think some of them liked holding Pitt down to the Big Least.

A few Pitt fans may be bitter, but, I have absolutely no idea why.

We’re gonna be playing Syracuse, BC, Duke, UNC, NC ST., Wake Forest, GTU, and probably UCONN in hoops. People get over losing G-Town and Nova. Ya, I’m sad about those rivalries, but, man, that’s a grain of sand at the Jersey Shore.

Football??? You’d have to be a moron. And I’ll even take it a step further, to Louis Greenberg, saying we’re mediocre in football, you’ll be the same in the ACC.

Ok Greenberg, dude, most of us would rather be mediocre if we have to, with Clemson, Florida State, Virginia Tech, Maryland etc. etc. than be mediocre with Louisville, Cincinnati and something called USF!!

And to top it off, one of the answers may have been adding E. Carolina, Memphis and UCF!!! Only Grandma Moses would have found that sexy!!!

One word guys, we finally did it. Hell, if UCONN comes in, I would look at the PITT-UCONN football game totatlly different!! Finally playing games against teams, in one real, all together, major universities, like minded, 13 sport, conference…..

and not a slapped together, mishmash league.

Remember guys, when you see the negative slant, before you get real mad, remember what is driving it………….

JEALOUSY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAIL TO PITT!!!!!!!

Comment by Dan 09.20.11 @ 7:47 pm

Mr SEC likes the ACC’s move.

For the time being, the only things we can be sure of are these five points:

1. The ACC acted strongly and swiftly to upgrade its league and bring in more television viewers.

2. The Pac-12 has already made more money than anyone dreamed without having adding Texas, Oklahoma and the rest. And don’t rule this out — it’s possible OU is considering staying in the Big 12 because the Pac-12?s presidents aren’t in favor of expanding.

3. The Big 12 is still in trouble.

4. The Big East is in even more trouble depending on the future invasion plans of the ACC and the Big Ten.

5. The SEC continues to play the nice guy role, owned at every turn by Baylor president Kenneth Starr. History suggests Slive’s conference could still turn some heads with a couple of surprising, deft moves. But as of right this instant, the SEC looks like a 13-school league that’s scared of litigation and incapable of luring in any “big name” expansion candidates other than Texas A&M.

But that could change.

Here’s his whole take:

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Comment by melvinbennett 09.20.11 @ 7:50 pm

The BigEast will continue to be reactive and not proactive. What could have been a good move with adding schools in 2003 ended up being a knee-jerk overcompensation and left them ill-prepared for what has transpired over the recent years. I expect nothing but the same from this point forward.

Comment by Cool Hand Nuke 09.20.11 @ 7:50 pm

Late report, Missouri is the 14th team to SEC, applied, and extended an invitatioon.

Frank, if you’re UCONN, you get on speed dial immediately. That is, if they were offered.

Remember, the SEC and ACC are probably playing a little coy right now, keeping a slot or two open in case they pluck a biggie. Not saying it’s gonna happen, but, if you get to your 16 early and suddenly ND, or Texas or someone, wants in, can’t tell someone to get back out.

ND, TEXAS, far fetched, just using them as examples. Once you’re filled, you’re filled.

A lot of crap going on right now!!!

And no matter what, we’re in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Comment by Dan 09.20.11 @ 7:52 pm

The comments from Tranghese are just plain sickening. It’s hard to understand how a man who dislikes college football so much could be in charge of a conference with a BCS bid. The basketball only schools left in the Big East can go pound sand. Those fools think it’s 1985 – or that a recurrence of 1985 is right around the corner. Well, it isn’t.

It was the Big East, not the ACC, that had both a football and basketball presence from Boston to Miami, that had national championship contenders in both football and basketball…and-almost unbelievably-the little basketball-only schools with their hand-picked mental midgets at the top screwed up the entire thing. Providence College, indeed. Providence belongs at a lower level than Duquesne. Hey, maybe Georgetown, Villanova, Seton Hall, DePaul, Marquette, Notre Dame, St. John’s and Providence can invite Duquesne! Throw in Xavier and they are set. Then Pitt and Syracuse can say see ya (NOT) and go their way.

My thoughts are that UConn and Rutgers will get ACc invites, Texas, TTU, OU and OSU will join the Pac 12, Missouri will join Texas A&M in the SEC and the remaining BE football schools will merge with the Big XII remnants, and maybe add Temple, TCU and Houston for an Eastern Division and a Western Division.

Adios, Big East. It’s been (sometimes) fun, and then not, but the BE is going the way of the Titanic.

Comment by Penguins Fan 09.20.11 @ 7:53 pm

I just had this horrible thought.. as penance for going to the ACC, do we have to get Under Armour uniforms like MD? But, heck, our QB may have a easier time seeing his receivers !!

Comment by CompLit 09.20.11 @ 7:53 pm

You got that right Dan-o

The Eastern sportswriters and their cronies are losing their 2 flagship schools in the BigEast and they ain’t(sic) happy about it.

Especially in NYC where the Knicks & Nets are so bad, they ONLY had BigEast basketball to look forward to in the cold (oh… so cold), frigid winters. It will take them awhile to warm up to the ACC. (forgive the play on words in there)

Comment by melvinbennett 09.20.11 @ 7:57 pm

Amen,Penguins Fan, nice post and well said!

Comment by Justinian 09.20.11 @ 8:04 pm

I see the college roommate already has Pitt ranked 119th out of 120th in pass defense. I bet Tino is ranked a heck of lot higher in passing.

Comment by wbb 09.20.11 @ 8:18 pm

Dan what are you saying abought missouri melvin just posted mr sec missouri staying in big 12 so whats going on who is right

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.20.11 @ 8:18 pm

Great job Nordy and Pedey. The stress of being in a conf. that could implode at any time is over. You have to love the sour grapes coming from I’m so ethical Notre Dame and WVU who had applied and now is rejected from both the ACC and SEC. It could have just as easily have been us a loser in this high stakes game of musical chairs. Greenburg, its always about the money and its still up to Pitt to be competitive, but I like our chances now and in the long run. Notre Dame is going to have to make a move and somebody is going to be left standing holding their pud. I am glad it won’t be us. Hail to Pitt!

Comment by gc 09.20.11 @ 8:24 pm

Also, Frankcan, not to worry, it may cost us or ESPN a few bucks, but my bet is we’ll be playing in the ACC next year. The networks are all decrying our ethics but it is their money that is driving the train.

Comment by gc 09.20.11 @ 8:28 pm

I was just watching ESPN and they said that Missouri has informally agreed to join the SEC.

Comment by Justinian 09.20.11 @ 8:37 pm


I’m getting some conflicting reports here.
Some are saying Mizzou has been extended in invite
The SEC is denying it.

Then there’s the Orangebloods story that the Mizzou President was leading an effort to keep the Big 12 intact.

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That info was a link from an NBC sports story concerning the same.

Probably they’re all positioning for the ‘who broke up the B12 game’.

Comment by melvinbennett 09.20.11 @ 8:38 pm

I don’t think you extend an invite as a Conf., unless the answer is already known.

Comment by melvinbennett 09.20.11 @ 8:40 pm

MB, that certainly makes more sense, in that Oklahoma said that would consider staying in the Big 12 if reforms are made concerning Texas’ Longhorn Network, Dan Beebe goes. If I was a college President and the call was betwwen keeping the No ranked team and conference together and getting a new commisioner, He would be gone.

Comment by Justinian 09.20.11 @ 8:44 pm

SO no one knows what the fuck is going on melvin did you read what i posted yesterday some one in big 12 needs to man up and grow some balls A&M i want to go but baylor wont let me shit what wimps eather kiss kiss and make nice or man up and leave what a soap opera

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.20.11 @ 8:48 pm

If you listened to Tranghese’s interview with Mike Francessa, it is evident that the deep basketball culture that persists among the Providence boys was standing in the way of the Big East ever becoming a viable all sports conference in the long run. The future horizon of college sports rendered the revenue split unpalatable between the football schools and the basketball schools. Basketball ratings (regular season) have steadily declined over the past 20 years, while college football ratings are at an all time high. Because televised sports provides one of the few captive audiences for advertisers, the dollars will continue to grow – albeit dedicated to the football side. Pitt’s decision to move to the ACC was a no brainer and frankly, should have occurred in 2003. Maybe I am just negative, but I don’t see a long-term scenario in which the Catholic b-ball only schools will reside in a conference with FBS football schools. The numbers do not work and the division among the schools creates factions and dissatisfaction. The football schools have to make significantly larger financial commitments to remain competitive at the highest level, while 315 basketball schools have shown it is possible to compete at the D-1 level even on a modest budget.

The Big East was founded by a basketball coach from Providence, and the two subsequent commissioners were also Providence guys through and through. The Northeast arrogance that was dripping from Tranghese’s comments, speaks volumes as to why the Big East was slow to evolve in the growth vehicle that is college football. I wouldn’t doubt that Marinatto harbors some of the same attitudes because he was brought up in the Gavitt culture. As long as there were TV contracts for bid, the bias was always going to be there for the Big East commissioners to do what is best for the Catholic b-ball schools. For schools like Providence, The Big East is their only hope at maintaining relevance and a stream of dollars. Leadership is everything in business, and the Big East was ultimately doomed by singular focused leadership that never wanted to see the big picture because it would have disadvantaged their baby. The Big East sealed its fate in 2003 when it selected DePaul and Marquette over two FBS schools, because it put a significant barrier on further football expansion while adding two more mouths to feed. DePaul added a ton of value HAHAHAHA!!!

When the BCS contract ends in 2014, who is to say that the Big East will still have a seat at the table if another deal is renegotiated. If basketball means so much to the Catholic schools and the Providence leadership, then they should simply reconstitute the conference as a basketball only conference. Maybe they can add Duquesne, Xavier, and St. Bonaventure to round out the conference. Legacy programs like Georgetown and St. John’s in major media markets will always have a following, but I don’t think the networks will be throwing money at regular season basketball deals 5-10 years down the road when the NCAA expands its field to 96 and renders the regular season worthless…..sorry for the rant.

Comment by dallas mike 09.20.11 @ 8:53 pm

I don’t see Texas swallowing their pride and adjusting the LHN. Not in the Big 12. They are just waiting for someone else to make the first move, so the blame of the B12’s demise can be laid at the schools feet. IMO

Comment by melvinbennett 09.20.11 @ 8:54 pm

should read: so the blame of the B12’s demise can be laid at that schools feet. It’s the blame game.

These guys are as bad as politicians (pols).

Comment by melvinbennett 09.20.11 @ 8:55 pm

That’s OK Dallas Mike, it was a good rant!

Comment by Justinian 09.20.11 @ 9:00 pm

I also heard that the PAC 12 isn’t really thrilled with having to take the 2 king’s dwarfs, TT & OSU.

They have academics in the lowly realm of WVU. And the original Pac 8 California schools of Stanford, USC, Berkeley & UCLA carry the most weight in the PAC 12 and they are not keen on the dwarfs.

Comment by melvinbennett 09.20.11 @ 9:01 pm

gc hope you are right

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.20.11 @ 9:04 pm

Good analysis Dallas Mike.

Have you heard anything down there in the Lone Star state about TCU. They might come knocking on the BigEast door, next year to play some ball…knock, knock knock…….and Nobody will be home.

And no note will be left on the door.

Comment by melvinbennett 09.20.11 @ 9:05 pm

Frank, looks like both reports are out there.

Mizzou invited, but, waiting to see if Ok and Tx can somehow hold the Big 12 together before taking off.

Comment by Dan 09.20.11 @ 9:42 pm

Excellent rant Dallas Mike!

Comment by Dan 09.20.11 @ 9:45 pm

melvinbennett i dont think the big 12 is going to splet up. I sure wish ACC would take two more from big east. because if they dont brake up we have to wait 27 mouths and i dont want to.

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.20.11 @ 9:45 pm

Hi guys. I am a recent pitt grad that just convinced 3 other friends from dc to road trip up to the burgh for the ND game. Only problem is all the tickets are $50 plus. Anyone have a few spare cheap tickets for sale???

Comment by Ari 09.20.11 @ 9:48 pm

thanks DAN

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.20.11 @ 9:49 pm

Nice post, dallas mike. If all of this shakes out as it appears to be shaping up, the Big East will be what it’s leadership wants – a basketball-only league made up of mostly small Catholic schools, as you suggest.

@ Dan
There’s a story on that OK wants some huge concessions to stay in the Big 12, like Beebe being ousted as commish and some stiff regulation of Texas’ Longhorn Network. If the story is accurate, I’m thinking they’re gone. And, thanks for leaving me off your list, buddy. :)

Pauly P is not from WVU. He’s been on this board a lot longer than you and mostly posts during basketball season. You guys need to stop calling everyone who doesn’t share your opinions a troll. They may be on your side one day.

Nice to see you’ve jumped on the ACC bandwagon. Don’t recall you having that opinion a couple of weeks back. But everyone is entitled to enlightenment. :)I could never understand it anyway because you’ll have games in your backyard. It’s a nice thing to have that I’ll miss. But it will make for some nice road trips for the wife and I, and I’ll take Carolina in the fall any day.

Comment by TampaT 09.20.11 @ 9:59 pm

Ari, sorry, I don’t. A little late to use stub-hub, allthough some do “overnight” tix, or leave at will call.

The prices come down significantly the day or two before game.

No, I have nothing to do with stub-hub, nor do I work for them. LOL However, I have used them for sporting events and concerts, and never had a problem.

My best suggestion. Come on up, get there early, tailgate, and mentally tell yourself, “hey, we may have to watch the game in a bar possibly”.

Hit the scalpers, see what they’re going for, do not buy any (unless you get a great price), just get a feel.

Now, the kicker……..if you don’t mind missing the opening kickoff, wait till game time, and the tix from the scalpers will be dirt cheap.

Have done this a several times. You really have to be willing to watch the game at the bar though if things don’t pan out.

Couple yars ago, buddy took me to the PSU-Ohio State game in State College. (I know, sacriledge).

Anyhow, we were content to tailgate, and go to a bar, but, we sniffed around the gates at game time. Got two on the 35 for 40 bucks.

Still remember my buddy saying to the scalper, “hey, we’re fine watching in the bar, you want two 20’s for those, or you want to put salt and pepper on them” (eat them, that is)

Good luck to ya!!

Comment by Dan 09.20.11 @ 9:59 pm

Tampa, should have said hello to you in above post, certainly a favorite of mine and a regular!!

Comment by Dan 09.20.11 @ 10:00 pm

Now, the really funny thing. No reason to tell stories on hear right, who cares, tell the truth, who cares.

You might not like this even more Tampa, my above hello was on my own, without seeing your last comment to me!!! lol

Now, what that says, is, I sincerely do include you, but, I don’t finish reading what you say!!!


Anyhow, a sincere hello, and I always read everyones stuff, was just doing the initial glance over at first!!! LOL

Comment by Dan 09.20.11 @ 10:03 pm

Last part of your comment to me that is. Seeing TampaT triggered me to say “hello”, then I went back…….and said “s*it”. LOL

Comment by Dan 09.20.11 @ 10:05 pm

Wow, this stuff is a lot more fun, when you know you’re part of it.

How many times, in many different scenarios, not just conferences, but anything Pitt sports, have we been on the other end.

We are overdue for some joy for a change.

Comment by Dan 09.20.11 @ 10:08 pm

@ Tampa T

Hey I’m all in with a decision that effects PITT for the foreseeable future. I do thank you for remembering things I’ve posted before. You’re not creating a dossier on me are you? haha

As far as the trolls, one never knows for sure who they are, but when they’re attacking my university I take note. The Greenberg dude was a troll, as Dr. Tom stated.
Didn’t know you were the Guardian of Trolls. haha

Comment by melvinbennett 09.20.11 @ 10:10 pm

@Tampa T

Hope to see you in Carolina for one of these ACC road games sometime. Or you might see me in Miami or Tallahassee first. Miami is always an excellent road trip.


Comment by melvinbennett 09.20.11 @ 10:14 pm

Thanks for the info Dan. I guess the plan is to just go tailgate and hope the stars align with them 35 yard line tickets.

Do you know if the scalpers at Heinz Field try and rip you off with fake/used tickets? I know at MSG for the big east tournament (RIP) half the tickets are used.

Comment by Ari 09.20.11 @ 10:19 pm

Anyone notice that glow in the southern sky tonight? Couches must be burning.

Comment by marcus of schaumburg 09.20.11 @ 10:20 pm

TAMPAT Pauly was so hateful of PITT football i thought he must be from WVU . I mean did you read his post he must hate pitt football what was i to think read it and you will see idont care if you think something that i dont but what he said was just mean the way he put pitt down are you sure this is the same pauly.

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.20.11 @ 10:21 pm

You are all invited over to my place when we play Maryland in Basketball and Football every year.
Hope we rekindle Navy also.

As a long time Pitt fan and grad, this is one of the first things I have ever seen Pitt do that is bold, proactive and the right thing to do. Very proud of our move to the ACC. If we never play the Snakes of WVU again, it will not bother me.
Hope they get left out of everything and have to abandon sports altogether!!

Comment by Dan 72 09.20.11 @ 10:21 pm

ESPN reporting that Mizzou has agreed to join the SEC.

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Comment by sweet caroline 09.20.11 @ 10:25 pm

Dan 72 be nice to poor WVU they had bad news to day .

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.20.11 @ 10:32 pm

Ari, I can’t really say, but, I haven’t heard anything bad.

Just be careful of undercover cops, (no, I don’t know how you do that).

But, at gametime, the cops are gone and most of the scalpers are gone, so, not a big deal.

Hey, if you would do that, just remember, tell the scalper, “you know what, nevermind, we just want to watch the game at the bar”.

Believe me, they’ll be chasing you down to get whatever you want to give as you walk away!!!

Hey, sometimes, tix are tight, and they’re aren’t any leftovers. Last time I saw that though, was at the Pitt-Penn State game in 2000 at Three Rivers. We had ours, but, I can remember some people at our tailgate saying, “we can’t even find a scalper with tix left”.

I think you’ll find some this weekend. Good Luck!!

Comment by Dan 09.20.11 @ 10:33 pm

If Missouri is the 14th member of the SEC who is 15 and 16? Come on ACC nail down Rutgers!!!!

Comment by John In South Carolina 09.20.11 @ 10:43 pm

When it says formally than i will belive it not informally Missouri needs to make up its mind . some body in big 12 needs to grow some balls and make a move. Man up or as they said in the old days shit or get off the pot.

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.20.11 @ 10:44 pm

Notre dame is on the hot seat more than anyone. Do the math, 4 16 team conferences. Sound like an ncaa tournament? It’ll take 3 games for a football playoff. ND has to swallow it here as they are no longer a power anyway ( except in fan base) They can no longer remain independent and no league will accept their tv contract. ESPN is already leading the charge to get them away from NBC

Comment by smp 09.20.11 @ 10:44 pm

I may have missed this above but Pitt has received tickets back from Notre Dame for Saturday’s game. Contact the Pitt Athletic department for details.

Comment by John In South Carolina 09.20.11 @ 10:46 pm

Where is it written that there will only be four BCS super conferences? The PAC, Big Ten, ACC, and SEC will be the four strongest conferences but there will be at least one more weak BCS super conference consisting of the leftovers from the Big Twelve and Big East. Assuming sixteen teams per conference then we have room for eighty teams.

Comment by John In South Carolina 09.20.11 @ 10:50 pm

No. I’m just the protector of the innocent, long time posters. :) You have to remember that most of these guys are lifelong Pittsburghers. Not all of them have the sunny outlook that Dan, Dr. Tom, Reed and our other friends have. They still live under that low hanging, gray cloud that guys like you and I managed to escape. (See Louis Greenberg).

And yes, I hope we do meet up at some games. I think that would be a blast.

I hear ya. Pauly P can get angry but he tells it like it is, much like Coach Ditka in football and Hugh Green in basketball. Read their posts if you want smack-you-in-the-face reality.

And, really what Pauly said is pretty accurate. I’ve stated a number of times that Pitt failed the Big East in football as much as the Big East failed Pitt in football. Pitt falls on its face pretty much every time they’re in the national spotlight. You have to look no further back than last weekend, which all got overshadowed by the ACC news. Hopefully, TG changes that over time.

No problem. Just thought I’d bust your chops. Thanks for stroking my ego. LOL

Comment by TampaT 09.20.11 @ 10:55 pm

I am going to bed it is hell to be old good night to all of you and my god watch over you all.

Comment by FRANKCAN 09.20.11 @ 11:01 pm

Can’t begin to stomach the comments coming out of ND about PITT having burned bridges with ND and WVU and thus may not have any more rivalry games.

Does ND think that for a moment we all don’t realize that they along with Providence screwed the BIG EAST. If ND wasn’t so greedy and selfish when we needed them to legitimize the BE football (via TV contracts) and join the Football side of things then we wouldn’t be here today. Instead the folks in providence prostituted us and themselves by being overly protective of their fellow catholic sister school by NOT demanding that they enter the BIG East as a full member (including football).

The leadership of the BIG EAST should have been handed to someone other than JM. His short sightedness has screwed what was once the “greatest college basketball league every created” and could have been (with ND) a solid media darling of a football conference.

Thanks ND! Thanks Providence!

I truly feel for our neighbors in Morgantown as they are getting the short end of this stick. They alone have carried this football conference nationally. We need to do everything humanly possible to get them into the ACC with us!


Comment by PittFanInAtlanta 09.20.11 @ 11:27 pm

Wait Frankan…

Smizik reported tonight that WVU was REJECTED by the ACC AND the SEC! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Sucks to be a snaggle toothed hoopie redneck!

Comment by Pitt It Is 09.20.11 @ 11:28 pm

You too Frankcan!!! Sleep soundly, we’re in now, we’re in while you sleep, and we’re in when you wake brother.

You know, I still can’t believe we ended up on the right side something for a change!!!

I just went and looked at some WVU blogs, horrible, shot. Not even a lot of posting going on.

I’m not even piling on, I just can’t believe we’re on the safe side!!! Woo Hoo!!!!!!!

Comment by Dan 09.20.11 @ 11:32 pm

back to the Pitt ND game…

If Tiny performs badly, (I mean when) how quickly does Anderson see the field? I think pretty quick.

Comment by Pitt It Is 09.20.11 @ 11:34 pm

I hope his leash is short, Pitt It Is.

But I’m more concerned about the defensive backs. If they’re as lost on Saturday as they were last weekend, we’re in for a long afternoon. I don’t think it’s necessarily a talent issue. I think it’s scheme and coaching.

I recall during one of those 4Q Iowa drives, A. Reed having his back to the ball and not knowing where the receiver was. It was a short throw that he could have easily intercepted if he had any field presence.

Reed makes that play and I think the Iowa QB comes back to reality and Pitt wins. Instead, he gets another chance and leads them to a TD. Even Holley, who I think is a good one, seems out of position most of the time. That’s poor coaching IMHO.

Comment by TampaT 09.20.11 @ 11:59 pm

Oklahoma and Texas are not going to the Pac-10. The Big East will still be around. It looks like the Big 12 may survive. I don’t understand the euphoria about Pitt pl

Comment by BigGuy 09.21.11 @ 12:07 am

Opps. I don’t understand the euphoria about Pitt playing Wake Forest, Duke and NC State in football and giving up its rivalries. Miami can get the death sentence and Clemson and FSU can leave for the SEC. The ACC could turn into a real dud.

Comment by BigGuy 09.21.11 @ 12:14 am


The euphoria isn’t who Pitt will be playing, but that they will be playing in a stable conference. Don’t forget, at least 10 teams had applied to the ACC when Pitt and Syracuse were accepted. We know that among them was Villanova but we don’t know who the rest were. This means that SOMEONE was going to the ACC and likely those someones were coming from the Big East. The euphoria is that we are going as opposed to watching Cuse and Rutgers go while we stay aboard the sinking BE ship.

We all wanted the BE to work out, but there was never any evidence that the BE leadership was doing anything to make it work out. Even with WVU staying in and TCU coming, once the BCS contract expired, the BE may have lost its AQ status because we were already on par with Conference USA in football outside of WVU who carried the league year in and year out in football.

Comment by kanyon40 09.21.11 @ 12:31 am

FWIW: link to

PAC12 voted no on further expansion just in the last hour or so.

Comment by kanyon40 09.21.11 @ 12:32 am

As a local sportscaster here pointed out, the SEC pretty much said the same thing about a month ago and then a little over a week later voted A&M in. Things can change fast, especially once all the legal stuff gets sorted out.

Comment by TampaT 09.21.11 @ 12:41 am

I think I see how it works. Pitt finishes in a tie for 1st place in the BE and misses playing in a BCS bowl game because of a fumble against UConn. The alumns holler and start to cancel their season tickets. Now if Pitt loses to Miami, FSU, VT, GT, Clemson, and perhaps, Maryland and finishes in the middle of the pack, no alumn will get upset because, “Hey, we’re playing in the ACC.

Comment by BigGuy 09.21.11 @ 12:43 am

Not sure what you are missing on the issue BigGuy. It was either play in the ACC or not even be sure we have a conference. With 10+ teams that applied to the ACC, if Pitt and Cuse didn’t go, someone else would have. It isn’t about appeasing alumni on who it is better to lose to in football. It is about having a conference to play football in. It just seems so straight forward.

Comment by kanyon40 09.21.11 @ 12:47 am

@TampaT yeah I know that just because they say so doesn’t mean they are telling the truth. But there are a couple of things to consider. First, I don’t recall that the SEC had come together to vote A&M down. They just released a statement, then voted to unanimously accept them later. PAC12 actually gathered and voted, so that would carry more weight. But the other issues I think revolve around Texas and their LHN- as well as general revenue sharing. PAC12 didn’t see a financial gain in adding the teams right now. And the fact that they don’t just get Texas and OU, but they get stuck with OKST and Texas Tech. My guess is they would love Texas and OU, and then probably something like Boise St. and BYU. So Texas and OU may need to separate themselves from their counterparts in order to make a move to save themselves.

Comment by kanyon40 09.21.11 @ 12:51 am

We can only hope Graham man’s up and makes the change when, not if, Tino starts faltering. ND’s offense scares me much more than Iowa’s did so they will be putting big pressure on our D. We have to have productive, longish drives to rest the defense and Tino’s 3rd down conversion rate has to be bad. It seems Graham hasn’t fully admitted to Tino’s mediocracy and might not until we are down 17 in the second half and its probably too late. Hello 2-2. If that’s what it takes to sit Tino down for good, so be it, but it sucks we have to lose two winnable games to prove that…I thought he was supposed to be a visionary and progressive/make needed changes guy? Left that bag at the Tulsa airport I guess.

Comment by Matt N. 09.21.11 @ 12:52 am

How Would Army, Navy fit into ACC?

Comment by Justin 09.21.11 @ 3:11 am

Army & Navy to ACC!

Comment by Justin 09.21.11 @ 3:26 am

I guess they don’t want the ugly warts on Texas and Oklahoma’s asses riding their coattails to the Pac-12.

I hope the ACC still goes to 16 and brings on UCONN and another Big East football school. Pitt needs some familiar buddies in the conference.

Comment by Chris 09.21.11 @ 5:08 am

Kanyon 40, your responses are spot on.

I believe it’s pretty cut and dry.

Comment by Dan 09.21.11 @ 9:11 am

Kanyon, there are two sports that I have an interest in watching and following: Pitt football and Pitt basketball. With regard to football, I really don’t care what league Pitt is in; however, a BE game is usually televised here in Jersey. Accordingly, my guess is that I see more Pitt games on TV than I am going to see when they are in the ACC. Also, Pitt plays at Rutgers every two years and I go to the games and the associated Pitt events. It looks like that is going to end.

With regard to BB, Pitt’s games (and the BE’s games) are on very frequently in the NYC area. My guess is that I am going to see them on TV far less frequently. When they are not on, generally Rutgers, UConn, Seton Hall, St. John’s, etc. are on. I would much rather watch one of those games than, say, Wake Forest v. FSU. Pitt BB in the ACC instead of Pitt BB in the BE, to me, is a real bummer.

When BC, VT, and Miami bolted, Syracuse was to go with them. They were stopped because of the efforts of Jim Boeheim. I guess he lost his veto power. Although Jamie generally spoke the company line, he is not a happy camper. As far as some other teams would have gone to the ACC if Pitt and Syracuse did not, so be it. The BE currently has eight teams in a football league that draw my interest. If they lost two teams other than Pitt and Syracuse, the BE would still have eight teams with the addition of UCF. The league would still have my interest. I am one of the few on this blog who is not excited (make that who is not happy) with Pitt bolting.

Comment by BigGuy 09.21.11 @ 10:12 am

Big Guy,
This is a case of damned if you do, and damned if you don’t. The Big East as you/we know it was going to change whether Pitt “bolted” or not. As has been stated — if it wasn’t Pitt it was going to be Rutgers, or UConn, or someone else. So to lament the death of the Big East and lay it at Pitt’s feet is a shortsighted view. I am going to miss the Big East too, but as a Pitt fan I am happy with the ACC move in that I know that Pitt is entering a more stable situation and will have a seat at the Division I football table for the foreseeable future. That is not certain with the remainder of the Big East.

Comment by JCE 09.21.11 @ 10:41 am

Big Guy — one other thing……you may yet see Rutgers and UConn join the ACC, in which case your TV watching concerns should be resolved! So I guess you can keep your fingers crossed for that!

Comment by JCE 09.21.11 @ 10:45 am

Great interview with Jim Boeheim about the BE and move to the ACC. Pretty much blasted the BE and leadership saying SU and Pitt have long been disappointed in the conference. He then lashed out at ND saying they only took from the conference, using it, while adding nothing to it.

Comment by Pitt it Is 09.21.11 @ 10:46 am

BigGuy–Syracuse not going to the ACC last time wasn’t because of Boeheim, although he was opposed to the move to be sure. It was because the governor of Virginia nixed it by requiring the University of Virginia to vote no on ACC expansion unless Virginia Tech was included. So, virginia tech was taken instead of Syracuse.

Comment by pitt1972 09.21.11 @ 10:53 am

FRANKCAN — no disrespect intended, but I have to say that your posts are very difficult to read. Run on sentences, no punctuation or capitalization, misspelling, etc…. I tend to skip many of your posts for this reason. However, I did see that you have made multiple comments saying you said something in a previous post that people missed. This may be why. You are obviously a big Pitt fan, thus a welcome part of the conversation. I would like to read what you have to say without bending my brain! :)

Comment by JCE 09.21.11 @ 10:57 am

Don’t disagree. The big hangup is TLN. No one, even the current Big 12 members, really want that hanging over them. Texas either needs to forget it or go the Notre Dame route. I think the PAC12 would change their minds on expansion if either happened.

FRANKCAN has explained many times that his mind works better and faster than his fingers. I think he’s even been trying some online typing lessons I sent him, and he does try his best to slow down most of the time. We’ve all learned to live with his typing, because he has good info, he’s a good guy, and he loves Pitt.

Comment by TampaT 09.21.11 @ 11:19 am

pitt72, I can’t take exception to your suggestion that it was either VT or Syracuse to the ACC and not both, because my memory (research) is not that good. If you are correct, than it came down to a choice of BC or Syracuse to the ACC. The Point, Counter-point link on the other thread, I believe, is germane. Pitt is a major fish in the BE. That is reality. Pitt may or may or may not be significant in the ACC. We will have to wait about five years for clues to find out if Pitt will sit next to BC in the “Who cares?” column.

Should Rutgers go to the ACC, it would make Pitt’s move more palatable to me; however, I question if Rutgers will. My guess is that some current teams (FSU, Clemson) will have to bolt the ACC to make room. Then Rutgers will have to decide if it really wants to leave behind its rivalries in BB with Seton Hall and St. John’s. Personally, I believe that the BE is currently shell-shocked; however, it will survive and will be viable. Apparently, Oklahoma and Texas have nowhere to go; so the Big 12 may also survive,

Comment by BigGuy 09.21.11 @ 11:20 am

Tampa — I would say that SOME have learned to live with the typing. No denying that he loves Pitt. I try to read most of his posts, but give up once I have to start over too many times. My loss? Maybe. Just saying — if he is wondering why he has to repeat himself, this is a good reason why. It takes only seconds to proofread. It’s not even the typing really. A bit more punctuation would do it. I don’t want to harp on it though. He is free to do as he wishes. Just making a suggestion to a fellow Pitt fan. Not meant to be hostile.

Comment by JCE 09.21.11 @ 12:05 pm

Today the SEC is denying all the reports about Mizzou and the PAC12 is denying that they are even interested in further expansion at this point…Which means absolutely nothing to me

Comment by BCPITT 09.21.11 @ 12:20 pm

Frankcan, don’t change a thing. Those that have been on here for years understand about the emotion going faster than the fingers.

You keep on posting, and posting often Frank!!!

Like you said last night, “it may be hell to get old”, but, I told you, we’ll still be in the ACC when you wake up!!!

Comment by Dan 09.21.11 @ 12:54 pm

Didn’t read your comments as hostile. Just knew that FRANKCAN has explained this before and was trying to save him from more typing to say the same thing over again.

Comment by TampaT 09.21.11 @ 12:58 pm

JCE, I think I know those initials. Think we went to school together. Just to make sure it’s you, send me an email when you get a chance to make sure it’s you.

Talk you ya, Dan

Comment by Dan 09.21.11 @ 1:01 pm

Dan — Been on here for years too. When I started coming here 10 posts would have been considered a lot of comments on a blog entry! This place has really blown up (which is a good thing.) However, I think you have me confused with someone else.

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