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August 14, 2011

Training Camp Day 6

Filed under: Coaches,Football,Players — Reed @ 10:37 am

The intern, Charlie McGovern, over at the P-G is doing yeoman’s work in Zeise’s absence with a two Red Shoes Diary entries for yesterday’s practice plus and in-depth article on the WRs on the squad.

In Part Two he discusses Brock DeCicco’s decision to transfer.  Again, I have to say this was kind of expected after Graham was hired and laid out what offensive positions he was going to field.  Mike Cruz saw the handwriting on the wall earlier and it took DeCicco a bit longer to figure it out.  It was great when he committed to PITT and I’m sure he and his parents would have wanted a full career here – but if he wants to play starting football it has to be somewhere else.

In his other article McGovern writes that our special Teams weren’t so special in some areas:  “Moving on to this evening’s practice, we got our first taste of the punting game during the special teams, and I must say that Plum native Chris Yankoski (below) was pretty erratic. He had a few bombs, but also had a few short, end-over-end punts that didn’t go too far. He’s a veteran, though, so I’m sure he’ll get things straightened out.”

Jackson is KR and Saddler is the first string PR with … Ray Graham as his back up; “Just like the past few days, things started with special teams. Fifth year senior Buddy Jackson was taking the kicks for the first unit and was clearly fine after being sidelined yesterday with cramps.  Ray Graham received with the second unit, so it seems very likely we will see him returning some kicks this year if Todd Graham deems it necessary.  This I hate.  Sorry, again I understand that any player can get injured on any play but he’s our star RB and as far as we know the only one capable on the roster.  I wouldn’t expose him any more than necessary.  Graham has recruited speed and we have other fast guys who could do this job.

As far as I can tell the only real battle for a starting position so far is at the Spur LB spot where G. Williams and Todd Thomas are running neck and neck, I’m pulling for someone new in the LB corps.  Maybe when Shane Gordon gets back to practice he’ll push either Gruder or Roberts also.

In the article about the WR rotation  this is said about true freshman Ronald Jones; “Jones has spent time with the first team in Saddler’s position, which also calls for receivers to carry the ball out of the backfield. He is learning the position quickly and has drawn the attention of the coaching staff because he was a quarterback in high school. “He is a joy to coach. He’s a sponge,” Norvell said. “You talk about lighting in a bottle, he is extremely quick, very elusive with the ball in his hands.”

In addition to the three returning receivers Shanahan, Saddler and Street it looks like Salath Williams will get some large playing time and freshmen Darius Patton, Justin Jackson and Joshua Brinson will push also.  Don’t forget about Ed Tinker either.  This may be the strongest position, behind the defensive line, this season.

The Trib-Review has two articles on the PITT coaching staff.  Starkey focuses on the offensive coordinator (one of many it seems) in discussing Calvin Magee.  Regarding the actual play calling it will be different than we’ve seen before; “Magee, 48, will continue to work from the press box and will relay calls to co-offensive coordinator Mike Norvell, who will signal to quarterback Tino Sunseri.  Ideally, Pitt wants to run 80-plus plays per game at a rate of one every 10 to 12 seconds”.  Well, that’s the first I’ve heard the 10-12 seconds being stated.  What they have been targeting in the spring and talking about this camp is a 18-15 second target.  Either way it’s speedy if we can do it.

Magee did say this which alternatively made me smile and ticked me off;  “I’d always seen this place from afar — when I was at the other place — as the place that could dominate the Big East,” he said. “With the recruiting base and facilities and tradition, I always thought that. So, when I got the call, I was like, ‘That’s a no-brainer.”  Meaning, of course, that he was just like every other college football watcher wondering why we kept under achieving in the recent past.

DiPaola writes about how long Graham and Keith Patterson ( DC) have known each other and how the relationships were formed.  He ends the article with a quote that has been discussed among us fans for some time, but it’s good to hear a coach say it out loud…

“Patterson said he has an advantage he seldom enjoyed at Tulsa: superior physicality. Tulsa lived by its offense last season while finishing 10-3; the defense was ranked 111th of 120 Football Bowl Subdivision teams, allowing an average of 450.8 yards. The pass defense was last in the nation (319 ypg).

“Nothing against the young men at Tulsa, but there were a lot of times — there were two or three games, maybe more — where we were outmatched physically,” Patterson said. “There is not one time I look at it (at Pitt) and we are outmatched physically. We had very smart kids at Tulsa, but there is no doubt we have more quality players at Pitt.”  

Nothing like scaring the crap out of you and then saying things will be alright because… well, we’re PITT.  He’ll need them I think because we’ll have some growing pains with this defense.

Todd Graham talks about Saturday’s practice in this eight minute post practice video spot.  Norvell and Magee chip in with some thoughts also.   First day in pads, lots of energy, hard hitting, etc… but try this on for size; Graham thinks we can replicate Tulsa’s achievement of having a 5,000 yard passer, three 1,000 yard receivers and a 1,000 yard RB.  Holy Hell!  Expectations are one thing, pipe dreams are another.

Here’s what looks like a one minute advertisement for Zach Brown to get playing time. He does looks big, strong and fast and appears to have good hands so he’ll be fun to watch in the fall.  This video, the “High Octane Football” commercial, is nice and has a soundtrack from 1950’s Mother Russia propaganda.





A lot of interesting things in the posting, Reed, but the one that stood out to me is the perceived superiority of the current defensive here compared to what DC Patterson had at Tulsa (note that Patterson had been at a defensive coach at Tulsa for over 7 years, the last 4 as DC.)

On one hand, I see this as a positive in that this staff, and especially the HC, may recognize the value of a good defense. I believe that if Pitt is to seriously contend this year, it will be in large part due to the defense because the drastic changes to the offense is bound to creat some inconsistencies thru the year.

On the other hand, is this an indictment of the recruiting policies of this staff where the priorities are overwhelmingly on the offensive end?

Comment by wbb 08.14.11 @ 11:04 am

wbb – I agree and it’s a wait and see. I don’t see the value in comparing conferences really. But we do have good athletes on defense now and Graham has gotten three transfers’ on the defensive side for playing next year and Juan Price for this season.

Comment by Reed 08.14.11 @ 11:36 am

Reed, agree, it is way too early to come to any conclusions. While Graham’s initial class here was very offensive oriented, so far 7 of the 12 commits for the 012 class are on the defensive side.

It’s just that I still believe in the adage “offense sells tickets, defense wins games.” And just remember, the SEC is much more known for its defense than offense … and even this past year when the NCAA title game was a battle of 2 offensive teams, the better defensive team won led by a DT who overshadowed the Heisman QB

Comment by wbb 08.14.11 @ 11:49 am

On paper, Auburn’s defense wasn’t very good but most of that had to do with the offense’s efficiency. They would score so quickly that the defense was bound to give up a ton of yards. That’s why most shootout teams are perceived to have weak defenses. As long as we make a few big plays on D we will be fine

Comment by Tony C 08.14.11 @ 12:14 pm

Tony C, there is no doubt some truth to what you said. However, consider the case of the B12 a few years back when most of the teams were scoring obscene numbers .. I believe Oklahoma beat Tx Tech in the title game something like 65-45.

Well, in the bowl games, they had to play against teams who actualy cared about defense, and collectively got their butts whipped.

Comment by wbb 08.14.11 @ 1:32 pm

Defence wins. No doubt about it, but offence puts fan’s asses in the seats.

Comment by TX Panther 08.14.11 @ 3:20 pm

Aside from the fact that half of the recruits and almost all of the “transfers” are on defense hardly translates into being “overwhelmingly” offensive minded, I think it’s unfair to indict the recruiting policies either way. TG and his staff have had 7 months to do what everyone else has had a 2 year head start on.

Comment by Cnorwood 08.14.11 @ 3:49 pm

Reed, wbb & others,

After six days of camp, do we know how often Tino will be ask to run the ball in this offense (other than on broken plays, receivers covered etc)?

The aggressive, blitzing style of defense would seem to work well against teams with inexperienced, first year QBs. Run blitzes can be effective as well. But, with teams like Utah, Cinncinati, WVU & others who have experienced QBs and relatively experienced offensive lines, blitzes will have to be carefully disguised or our defense will give up big plays. I’m assuming Coach Graham will game plan, but my question is, is there a “base defense” with less blitzing that you’ve seen (if you’ve observed Spring drill or Camp)?

I’m out in Oregon and only saw Pitt play twice last year. Going to change that this year…

Comment by OR Panther 08.14.11 @ 3:51 pm

Once again, much ado about nothing …. for now

link to espn.go.com

Comment by wbb 08.14.11 @ 4:14 pm

just read that sec would like to be in our tv market but they wont take WVU because of there acadmics put might take pitt if they ask in the future. should we ask a&m to come to big east.

Comment by FRANKCAN 08.14.11 @ 5:06 pm

The wording was quite careful and left alot of wiggle room for getting a 14th team in line and then making the announcement. This is just to cool things down a bit.

Comment by octane 08.14.11 @ 5:07 pm

I am up for a few things if this scenario plays out. 1. Take advantage and court Texas A&M, Kansas and Kansas State to come and give some tie-in for the TCU merger. Then create 2 divisions-Big East North and South. Or 2. Pitt, WVU, Uconn, and Syracuse head to ACC creating a mega conference and re-establishing old rivalries with BC and VT. I would rather stay in Big East, but since I live in ACC land, would love the opportunity to see Pitt on a frequent basis, plus the basketball conference would be insane.

Comment by HeelHater 08.14.11 @ 5:43 pm

OR Panther, Sunseri will be asked to rush around 10 times per game ideally.

Comment by Reed 08.14.11 @ 6:27 pm

pitt going to the acc would send both the football and basketbal programs backwards, not something you want to do when the football program is looking to get on another level and the basketball program is as close to a national title as a team can be without winnin it

Comment by pat 08.14.11 @ 6:36 pm

as for pitts defense compared to tulsa… yes tulsa gave up a lot of points but when the teams you play every week have the nations top offenses, thatll happen. the best offense in the big east last year, lville, was ranked 57th. the key is, tulsa was top 25 in red zone defense and #2 in turnovers gained. pitt has much more talent, obviously, on defense and will be going up against much much less potent offenses, theyll be fine

Comment by pat 08.14.11 @ 6:41 pm

I never meant to (necessarily) compare conferences but since it was brought up … it should be noted that the top offenses in CUSA like Tulsa and Houston did not win the league or even made it to the championship. The best defensive team, UCF, did win it, however, and beat Georgia in their bowl game, only giving up 7 pts.

I’m just saying it never hurts to be good on both sides of the line of scrimmage

Comment by wbb 08.14.11 @ 6:52 pm

I will post this again on monday i was on site devoted to the SEC they said they did not take A&M BECAUSE 13 WAS NO GOOD THEY NEED 14 AND NO ONE ELSE ASK TO COME. but what was intresting was this site said that the SEC would like to get into the pittsburgh tv market but even if WVU were to ask they would not take them becuse ofbad academics the way i read that is that it is a way of saying pitt ask us what do you think could that be true. if so jump on it they also said they wont ask any one you have to ask them.

Comment by FRANKCAN 08.14.11 @ 7:54 pm

I also read that one of the SEC directors said there is an agreement not to include any school for expansion within its own footprint which would rule out FSU and Clemson .. and Louisvile for that matter. It wouldn’t rule out A&M, Missouri, V Tech, Rutgers UConn, WVU or Pitt

Comment by wbb 08.14.11 @ 8:16 pm

Yea, Pitt in the SEC would be fantastic. We would have a full conference slate and those couple of non conference games that we would need to schedule could be cream puffs simply because we would already have plenty of LSU’s, Florida’s, Alabama’s etc. to kick our asses on an annual basis.

Comment by Dr. Tom 08.14.11 @ 8:17 pm

WBB WVU is out becuse of academics but the site said they would love to get into pittsburgh tv market you cant do that with out pitt . should pitt call them what do you think.

Comment by FRANKCAN 08.14.11 @ 8:33 pm

DR TOM you play up to your compiton we would have stability no more raids and we could recuit better players we would do ok have faith.

Comment by FRANKCAN 08.14.11 @ 8:41 pm

A&M willseek admission to big east and outher bcs conferences so that the sec has no legal liability to big 12 than they will say yes to sec but i ask you lawyers what happens if some elae says yes come on like the big east.

Comment by FRANKCAN 08.14.11 @ 9:42 pm

ment some one else say yes

Comment by FRANKCAN 08.14.11 @ 9:45 pm

Nice to see another Panther from Oregon…two of us already get together for football and hoops games…we’re both in Portland…hope to hear more from you and meet up.

Hail to Pitt!
-al-

Comment by Oregon_Panther 08.15.11 @ 12:55 am

well, I can certainly foresee the time when 4 superconferences of 16 teams are formed.

But until then, everyone should realize … that currently, the optimal number of teams for a league to have is 12 … it allows for a league championhsip game and each team gets a 1/12 share of the league revenue.

It could be determined in the future that the Houston and Pittsburgh TV markets will provide more revenue to offset dividing the revenue pie among more teams, but until then, the next expansion should be coming from the BE.

Comment by wbb 08.15.11 @ 8:34 am

Oregon_Panther

we’re on the dry side over in Bend. HTP!

Comment by OR Panther 08.15.11 @ 10:03 am

Brock DeCicco is listed as 6-5 240, he should have stayed at Pitt and bulked up into an offensive lineman!

Comment by Jenny Craig 08.15.11 @ 11:36 am

I need more posts. I am itching for Pitt football info.

Comment by Todd Gack 08.15.11 @ 12:10 pm

Off topic, but Scout.com just released an updated 2012 basketball top 100. Steve Adams jumped to the top ten and is now #8 player in the country!

Comment by winedogs 08.15.11 @ 12:52 pm

WOW…I am not that surprised given the recent hype Adams has been receiving, but 5-star top 10 in the country sounds great! I hope this recent press and exposure doesn’t make him waver in his near year old commitment to Pitt. The only other 2012 recruit with a scholly offer is 6’7 PF Anthony Bennett the newly crowned #10 recruit in the country.

Comment by BCPITT 08.15.11 @ 1:30 pm

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