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July 19, 2011

After a couple less than positive stories, let’s end with something really good.

Travon Woodall hasn’t been seen much at Greentree this summer. While some haven’t noticed because of the shiny new baubles of Johnson, Johnson, Birch and Gilbert. To say nothing of all the other guys who have been there playing. Apparently he got some grief about it. Turns out there’s a really good reason:

For everyone who doesn’t know, I have a STAT class that I am taking in order for me to graduate in December.

These are still college students, and part of the the reason they are staying in the ‘Burgh in the summer is to take the summer classes. Sometimes they conflict with other activities, but they still take precedence.

That’ is fantastic that Woodall will be graduating a semester early. He is heading into his redshirt junior year, but has tracked academically a bit ahead of schedule. Anyone who has seen “The Street Stops Here” or knows Woodall’s back story has to be excited for the young man.

 





A good story indeed…I think he’s getting healthy too. I recall Dixon saying he’s been injured this summer and must shake that to make an impact this season.

Comment by Tossing Thabeets 07.19.11 @ 7:42 pm

Agree, Tossing. And thanks for the info Chas.

While I haven’t seen the latest Greentree video, it’s good to read that Sleepy played well last night. He’s also working through nagging injuries.

Comment by steve 07.19.11 @ 8:21 pm

Cool. When he graduates he can come back to Brooklyn and play on my rec team and also take care of some regression analysis I have laying around.

Comment by SilverPanther in NYC 07.19.11 @ 8:38 pm

Silver, residuals included?

Comment by steve 07.19.11 @ 8:54 pm

Greentree video now available:

link to youtube.com

Good to see Sleepy awake.

Comment by steve 07.19.11 @ 8:57 pm

regression analysis … I remember those

sreve, great video, thanx

Comment by wbb 07.19.11 @ 9:38 pm

awesome video

Comment by gc 07.20.11 @ 6:40 am

Thanks for the vid steve….I know I should be getting pumped for football, but these stories and vids have me keeping at least one eye on November.

It’s good to hear players not only graduating but putting in the time to do so early. Good for you Woodall. Most of these kids won’t ever see the NBA but even if they end up playing overseas, it’s always good to have a solid university degree to fall back on. I am a huge sports fan, but I suck at playing them. Having a Pitt education/degree has made me able to provide for my family despite the current economy.

Comment by BCPITT 07.20.11 @ 7:15 am

It is nice to see stories like this, too many are more like Ohio State. Also reflects well on the type of kids Jamie is getting.

Comment by Jimbo 07.20.11 @ 8:55 am

First, it is a tribute to Travon that he pursued getting a degree, especially considering his background and the obstacles that he had to overcome. I see that his major is sociology. Help educate me. What does one do with a degree in sociology? Become a counselor? Hopefully our student-athletes can come away with not just a degree but with a marketable degree. The athletic department (coaching staff) must take an active role. From personal experiences, high school and university guidance counselors are a waste and sometimes do more harm than good.

Comment by BigGuy 07.20.11 @ 9:49 am

Though I can’t physically make it to Green Tree, I have watched all the videos on youtube and have to say I’ve been really impressed by some of the players. I understand it’s not tournament-level competition, but bear with me.

First of all, John Johnson reminds me of a more athletic Levance Fields — he gets to the basket to score, and he can drain the step back 3 regularly. He also plays tenacious D, which is a big bonus.

I’m also really looking forward to seeing Dante Taylor’s progress. He looks ready to make a big leap forward. His ability to get up and down the court quickly is going to cause lots of match up problems.

Last, our front court depth is huge. Literally. Malcolm Gilbert and Khem Birch are shot blocking machines. This will add a new dynamic to Pitt’s D which hasn’t been seen for quite a while.

Is it Fall yet? I’m amped for this season and the future of Pitt basketball!

Comment by Hail2Pitt 07.20.11 @ 9:52 am

Big Guy, my wife would beg to differ.

Comment by TX Panther 07.20.11 @ 9:54 am

TX, does your wife take issue with someone majoring in sociology or with does she take issue with my experiences with guidance counselors? We can have interesting discussions concerning the latter.

Comment by BigGuy 07.20.11 @ 10:23 am

She is pursuing her masters in counseling. Counseling goes beyond career preparation in school districts today. A good counseler can have a positive impact on many kids who need someone to listen and provide some wisdom. It’s unfortunate that this position is one of the first to go when budget cuts loom. It’s a discipline that is misunderstood by many.

Comment by TX Panther 07.20.11 @ 10:53 am

As someone who is working in what is left of public education, I would have to say the guidance counselor position is of utmost importance and CAN be a huge positive influence.

However, I have seen many people go into being a school counselor because they feel it is an easier job than teaching. Or they are completely out of touch with either the needs of students or the economic needs of society. In most smaller schools the guidance counselor has simply become a number cruncher and a test administrator. Why? Because that’s what Big Brother Government wants…

Comment by Bowling Green Panther 07.20.11 @ 11:49 am

First, a disclosure. I attended high school in the 1950’s when few mothers worked out of the house and when there were fewer divorces and single-parent homes. We never had guidance counselors. Most of us college-bound students knew what courses we needed to take to go to college (knowledge generally gleaned from older siblings or more knowledgeable classmates).

Every year some classmate or classmates got killed in an automobile accident. We didn’t have “grief counselors” walking the school corridors, making themselves available to anyone who needed their services. We dealt with the tragedy. In my judgment, we did fine without any counselors, academic, grief or otherwise.

Today in our school system, every student must review their proposed curriculum with a guidance counselor before they are permitted to sign up for a course. The counselors give the students advice. For instance, my daughter’s counselor advised my daughter to take Math Course B because it was easier, she would likely get a better grade and the colleges would give Math Course B the same weight as Math Course A when in came to admissions. Math Course A was more difficult. The fact that Math Course A might teach her more academically never entered into the counselor’s equation (pardon the pun). The counselor’s job: get as many students into college as she or he can. What takes place after the students enter college is someone else’s concern. If having a counselor was optional there may be fewer of them in a school. The teachers’ unions could never support that!

Comment by BigGuy 07.20.11 @ 2:13 pm

Big Guy — what are you talking about? and why are you talking about it on this site?

By the way, fortunately, this isn’t the 1950s.

Comment by PantherP 07.20.11 @ 3:00 pm

Counselers can help kids like Woodall stay in school, find the right help outside school, and keep them on path to graduate. I think that’s why we got off into this tangent. Inner city kids have some unique challenges that a small town guy from Appalachia like myself can’t begin to comprehend. I’m proud of what Woodall has done. A future counseler in the making maybe. Seems like a marketable degree to me if you can help change a kid’s life.

Comment by TX Panther 07.20.11 @ 3:39 pm

FWIW, I went to high school in late 60s and don’t ever remember talking to a counselor, one on one. I’m not implying anything here (like it was better back then), just supplying a fact.

Comment by wbb 07.20.11 @ 3:52 pm

Moore is going to be an interesting one. It really depends on how much he learned from being benched at times last season. If he understands the system and can can score in bunches, which we all know that he can, then we struck gold and platinum. He will be good for us coming off the bench.

When Taylor was a Freshman he wasn’t in Big East Shape, maybe A-10 shape. We saw flashes during his Sophomore year. Now he looks like a Big East PF/C. Senior year Taylor and Sophomore year Birch will be beastly. I just don’t think we see the real deal sex appeal front court from them this year. It could happen though. Let’s hope that Zanna and Gilbert push them both to all hell.

In 2012 our front court could be Taylor, Birch, Zanna, Gilbert and Adams. I don’t think Pitt has ever had a collection of monsters like this before.

Yeah, when does the season start? I’m shaking again.

Comment by Panthoor 07.21.11 @ 12:10 am

Not to beat a dead (and non-Pitt-sports related) horse, but guidance counselors CAN be an extremely important person in the life of a high school student. If the counselor is willing to be patient, supportive, and to LISTEN to the student. And if the student is willing to seek the help. Is this always the case? Certainly not. But in many cases it is.

And while I do think that some guidance counselors seek the position to get into what is viewed as an easier job, most went to school with the express desire to help students. Unfortunately, due to restricted budgets, very often the “intangible” elements in education are not financially supported, and counselors are then relegated to “pushing paper”, test administration, and other “tangible” activities. When this happens, the students who can really benefit are (unintentially) neglected, and they may go away thinking that their counselor was useless. But trust me, in many cases, it does make a huge difference for students–whether that difference is educationally measurable or not.

Comment by Crashing the Boards 07.21.11 @ 12:45 am

—should be *unintentionally*

Comment by Crashing the Boards 07.21.11 @ 12:48 am

One of my best friends in the world, a buddy at Pitt and who I lived off-campus with for three years together, was a Sociology major. I minored in Philosophy myself. We both have successful professional careers. What you learn in those type of disciplines is critical thinking and analysis, along with the abilities to research, organize, and communicate your ideas. These are important skills to have in many fields. I’m not sure how sociology got boiled down to counseling. That’s kind of random. Sociology is social science, with plenty of empirical study, analysis, theory, etc…Anyway, hope Travon rocks his Stats class and then works on his shooting percentage. Win win.

Comment by SilverPanther in NYC 07.21.11 @ 12:18 pm

why would taking a Stats class mean you couldn’t play summer league? I assume he’s not playing because he’s hurt, which is unfortunate because this is the best summer league action and competition the Pitt players have ever had.

Don’t be surprised if Gilbert is worth more to the Panthers this year than Birch is. You can’t teach size.

Comment by hugh green 07.21.11 @ 12:59 pm

Don’t look for conspiracy when there is a simple reason Hugh. The class conflicts with Greentree. Summer session involves a lot more evening classes and when he would have had to register for classes the summer b-ball schedule wasn’t established.

Comment by Chas 07.21.11 @ 2:33 pm

I won’t be surprised at all. In fact I almost expect it.

Gilbert is WAY ahead of where McGhee or Gray were before their freshman years. He doesn’t have much offensively (more than Birch) but he is a legit 6’11” shot blocker. Mostly, though, he is very competitive/aggressive. Put 20/30 lbs on him, refine his post moves, and he’s a NBA player. And he’s the only “true” center on the team. Both Taylor and Birch can/will play center, but they’re both undersized and better suited to the power forward spot. That said, I do think Taylor will be more than an adequate center this season and could be an all big east performer if he stays healthy.

As far as Birch goes, I won’t be surprised by anything he does next year. He is a FREAK athletically. He runs like a gazelle and jumps very high, very quickly. BUT, he is really skinny and weak. He has no offense. And he showed no real competitiveness in Greentree, for what that’s worth.

I wouldn’t be shocked if Jamie redshirts him and equally wouldn’t be shocked if he were starting by year end. I think both of those scenario’s are unlikely, but they are certainly not out of the question. Will be fascinating to see how Jamie handles him and how Birch develops.

Comment by boubacar aw 07.21.11 @ 2:01 pm

HGreen –
For the less conspiracy theory oriented among us, having a Stats class that takes place from say 5:00 – 7:00 pm or 6:00 – 8:00 pm would be a logical reason Woodall can’t play in the summer league.

Comment by cnorwoodaz 07.21.11 @ 2:39 pm

Great minds think alike.

Comment by cnorwoodaz 07.21.11 @ 2:40 pm

thanks Chas, didn’t know about summer evening classes. that’s interesting and surprising.

My HS coaches freaked when I missed a summer league season due to a long family trip between my junior and senior year, so let’s just say I’m surprised that a Stats class takes precedence over summer league participation for a Big East basketball player. I’m not saying that’s wrong, just saying it’s surprising in this day and age of college sports.

And the Greentree league hasn’t changed much in the last few years in terms of when it runs and on what nights it runs, so I’m not sure the schedule-not-published argument matters much.

are we to believe we’re witnessing a scholar-athlete moment? call me a cynic, but I thought those days were over.

Comment by hugh green 07.21.11 @ 2:48 pm

SilverPanther in NYC, great post in helping to educate me. I have a technical major, so sociology is foreign to me. My professional experience is that of a graduate being versed in one of the “professions”, i.e. engineering, accounting, dentistry, etc. as apposed to, “Don’t worry. We’ll teach you everything that you need to know to get started in this field.”

Comment by BigGuy 07.21.11 @ 2:56 pm

I thought I read somewhere that Dixon said Woodall was hurt?

Comment by boubacar aw 07.21.11 @ 3:33 pm

Chas, satisfied? In what should be an elightening article about a scholar-athlete taking a class that would allow him to graduate early, and I assume allow him to enter grad school in the spring term, has instead opened a can of worms where I assume the cynics are opining about an ulterior motive for missing the summer league.

What could this motive be? Is he indeed injured? Or maybe he is just too lazy, or haa shied away from competition? How about that he now values an education over sports? My guess is that he has a new girlfriend who doesn’t allow him to play thisummer and spend more time with her.

Comment by wbb 07.22.11 @ 7:52 am

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