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February 10, 2011

In a follow-up to the post earlier today regarding the booting of Pitt’s Philly chapter from the original pre-game and gamewatch site, we have a comment from the President of the Greater Philadelphia Pitt Club.

I am reprinting it here, because it deserves a full post on its own, so it can’t be missed.

This is Tim Pecsenye:

I am writing to set the record straight about rumors and inaccurate comments made about our Club’s upcoming event being held in conjunction with the Pitt v. Villanova basketball game on February 12. First, let me introduce myself. I am the President of the Greater Philadelphia Pitt Club. I live in Philadelphia and practice law in Center City. Our Club is affiliated with the University of Pittsburgh’s Alumni Association. Our Club members are some of the nearly 11,000 proud alumni of the University of Pittsburgh that call Greater Philadelphia home. Other than for social and networking purposes, the Club primarily exists to raise money to support scholarships for students from Greater Philadelphia that will attend the University of Pittsburgh.

Our Club has hosted an event prior to any Pitt v. Villanova basketball game for over 15 years when the game is played in Philadelphia. Our Club has hosted a pregame event at the bar and restaurant located where Kelly’s Taproom is now operated dating back over 15 years. We have hosted successful pregame events at the Wild Onion as well as at Flip & Bailey’s. So when the basketball schedule was released showing a game at the Pavilion, we contacted Kelly’s to arrange an event. We entered into a contract with Kelly’s to have a pregame dinner from 7-9, and a television game watch following our dinner, for those who were unable to get tickets. No controversy or objections were ever raised by Kelly’s or anyone else about this event. Interest in our event apparently became an issue, when a poster here raised it by way of a blog post, complaining about Pitt alumni coming to Kelly’s and threatening a boycott of the bar and restaurant.

As this post gained circulation, Kelly’s apparently became concerned about how it may affect their business. Kelly’s contacted our Club representatives indicating our Club would not be able [or discouraged] to stay after our dinner to watch the game, as set forth and provided for in our contract. We decided rather than fight about our contracted right, as well as the enjoyment and safety of our guests, that we would move our event to a venue that would welcome us. Understanding that Kelly’s was a place where we and our money were no longer welcome, we contacted Kelly’s to negotiate out of our contract for the event. We are pleased to report our event will not go forward at Kelly’s on February 12.

I am frankly surprised and disappointed that the greater Villanova community is apparently so threatened by our Club’s proposed event. Our members are respectable citizens of Greater Philadelphia, some of whom also have degrees from Villanova. We have partnered with their Villanova Club to run a number of successful joint events over the years. We hope that the discrimination and overtly nasty things said about us were the shallow and thoughtless comments of some ill-mannered minority, rather than the consensus of Villanova fans, students, and alumni.

Our event will go forward on February 12 at The Fox and Hound in King of Prussia. We welcome any Pitt or Villanova fans or alumni to join us. If you have an interest in joining us, see our web site at: http://www.alumni.pitt.edu/clubs/philadelphia/ for details. We are looking forward to a great game and Panther victory. Hail to Pitt!

I will say it again. The owner/operator of Kelly’s Taproom, a “loyal Villanova alum” is an idiot, coward and not a person of his word (or apparently contract).

It does reflect poorly on Villanova alum and students as a whole that they blew this completely out of proportion. Most schools with any sizable alumni base in a region will set up watch parties and pre-game events near the venue. Usually without craziness.

Most schools and/or alumni organizations work with other schools to suggest, recommend or help find locations for events. It’s a shame that Villanova’s alumni don’t have a clue about these things.





Hi,

Just wanted to let you know that I sent information about what has transpired, along with a link to Kelly’s official website response, to the ESPN College Gameday Crew, asking them to perhaps visit or at least call Kelly’s for a response to the controversy. I’m sure they would appreciate the publicity. I should probably send an email to Kelly’s telling them what I did, but is ESPN, by some miracle, DOES call, I want it to be a surprise.

Comment by TOURMAN 02.10.11 @ 4:24 pm

wow. i was under the impression that villanova alumni were friendly over-achievers and not pretentious at all. i am shocked….

Comment by Omar 02.10.11 @ 4:32 pm

Just watched the last 2 minutes of the Rutgers-Villanova game. That Mike Rice sure can coach.

Comment by alcofan 02.10.11 @ 4:32 pm

More than likely the crazy rumblings are not generated by students or BB players but by “sports enthusiasts” of the neanderthal kind. This brings it all down to a 10 year old’s “black and white mentality” and is sad on both sides-I wanted to go to the taproom as I had never been there – the owner cannot be Irish as he sounds like a wimp.
Im Irish and Catholic and ‘Nova coach went to my son’s high school – so Im not against Nova, I am for Pitt. What happened to stength in character and FUN???

Comment by Amy F 02.10.11 @ 4:37 pm

Chas and Tim, thanks for this information. I have now revised my hate list putting a certain university over ND:

1) PSU
2) WVU
3) NOVA
4) ND

Comment by Joe 02.10.11 @ 4:46 pm

[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Jon, Hoya Suxa, Joseph Krebs, Bryan, Chas Rich and others. Chas Rich said: I repeat, never, ever trust a Villanova alum. Updated: link to bit.ly [...]


Joe, come on. Have you forgotten Notre Dame football? Think about the song. Think about TD Jesus. Think about 3:30 on Saturday being fucked because the Army-ND game is on. Hate Nova, sure, but don’t sell ND short. Just increase your overall hating.

Comment by maz. 02.10.11 @ 5:08 pm

Think of how wonderful it will be if Nova joins The Big East for football.
I have to believe that it was a very small contingent of Villanova fans that objected to our event. This was blown out of proportion and Kelly’s has lost Pitt business forever…stupid is as stupid does!

Comment by isnore 02.10.11 @ 5:30 pm

Tim, great letter. Chas, thanks for the update.

When the NJ Club worked with RU administration to secure onsite party venues for basketball and football games, to their credit we never encountered any discrimination whatsoever.

Classless, infantile behavior by both the kelly girl and nova fans. They should be banned from the Garden bars come BET.

Comment by steve 02.10.11 @ 5:32 pm

I hope this was also sent to the Villanova people who started all this.

Comment by jimbo63 02.10.11 @ 5:42 pm

Fair point Maz. The song just threw me over the edge.

Comment by Joe 02.10.11 @ 5:45 pm

Just to make sure we understand that it was not just one isolated crackpot who wanted the kelly girl to toss the Pitt folks out, here are the results of a survey done on that nova blogsite:

Poll
How do you react to this news of Kelly’s hosting Pitt fans?
45% I’ll never go there again
10% Disappointed, but will still go
33% Who cares?
11% Maloney’s FTW

375 respondents, probably a good cross section of all nova aholes.

So, when you look at an ahole wearing nova apparel, you’re likely looking at a big ahole.

link to thenovablog.com

Comment by steve 02.10.11 @ 6:12 pm

So, when you look at an ahole wearing nova apparel, you’re likely looking at a big ahole.

link to thenovablog.com
Comment by steve 02.10.11 @ 6:12 pm

I think we all knew that anyway steve. But one always need reminded on these things.

Thanks

Comment by melvinbennett 02.10.11 @ 6:22 pm

link to pittsburghlive.com

to lighten up the room

Comment by wbb 02.10.11 @ 6:29 pm

I remember when they upset us in the early part of the previous decade at their bandbox gym. Pitt was ranked high as usual, maybe Top 5. Their fans wanted to rush onto the court as most fans do when they upset a highly ranked team like Pitt.

An in effort to discourage this, they chanted, “it’s only Pitt…. it’s only Pitt….it’s only Pitt”

There is something to be learned from this whole childish affair.(and that’s always important) And that is:
Children will be children. And d-bags will ALWAYS be d-bags.

HTP !

Comment by melvinbennett 02.10.11 @ 6:30 pm

And to think I let some preppy slut ‘nova grad in a V Tshirt go unharassed when she sat two rows in front of me at the Pete last year.

Ok I shouldn’t just assume: she may not have been a ‘nova grad.

Comment by Jason 02.10.11 @ 6:32 pm

I’ve heard Nova is an awful place to go to school, for the record. Everyone I went to Pitt with from Philly called it “Villa-no-fun”

Comment by Joe 02.10.11 @ 6:34 pm

Check that, not “awful”, boring is what I meant.

Comment by Joe 02.10.11 @ 6:35 pm

@Joe

I would imagine… since it’s an Order of St. Augustine college and I heard he was no fun at all.
Which is why he became a monk.

Although I’m sure he would not be happy with the alumni who owns Kelly’s. Monks only drink home brew. lol

Comment by melvinbennett 02.10.11 @ 6:41 pm

Does Kelly’s take reservations? I think I should phone about 50 in for every night next week.

Comment by CalvinHobbes 02.10.11 @ 6:46 pm

The tallest building on Villy’s campus is a church.
And then the rest of the buildings are about as tall as Central Catholic High School. Central was no fun either, no girls, coats & ties and an ex marine drill sergeant as a Prefect of Discipline.

Girls weren’t allowed at Villy until 1968 or so and they were nuns. Sounds like a lot of fun eh.

Comment by melvinbennett 02.10.11 @ 6:47 pm

What’s college if you can’t enjoy it. Most of us look back at our college years as a great time of life. You really don’t remember the work, but you remember the friends, the experiences, and the good times. I would gladly trade 3 years of life in the working world for one year of college life.

Comment by Justinian 02.10.11 @ 7:04 pm

No regrets Saturday

link to usatoday.com

Comment by steve 02.10.11 @ 8:23 pm

Steve, Great article. Hopefully they’ll keep those sentiments as motivation for Saturday’s game. One thing I know, we’ll have to bring our “A” game.

Comment by Justinian 02.10.11 @ 8:47 pm

Johnnies now up by 25 over UCONN, game over.

Another battle at the Garden 2/19. Looking forward to attending the BET tune-up.

Comment by steve 02.10.11 @ 8:51 pm

Nova has never been honest. Remember back in the 80′s when Doug West (former player and Assistant Nova Coach) accused PITT of illegally recruiting him? Boy did he hear it when he came to the Field House each season.

Comment by Pitt fan in Atlanta 02.10.11 @ 10:16 pm

Wow! Just wow! First, this is typical Philly fan behavior. So insecure, chips on shoulder, all the cliches. I am a mets and giants fan and get this from the pro fans, didnt think it trickled down to colleges (especially a private school that pulls kids from all over the country). Second, with this behavior of the owner, is it a wonder why restaurants fail so regularly? This guy had guaranteed revenue on a Saturday night, from adults with jobs (buying food and probably expensive drinks – not college kids) do you really think college students would remember that he hosted a Pitt party for 2 hours come next
Thursday night??

Comment by CN 02.11.11 @ 8:14 am

CN:

Here I thought it was a bunch of Giants fans that had mommy and daddy pay their way to a $40k a year snoozefest school since they wanted to be near the city instead of podunk NC.

My bad.

To amalgamate a bunch of douchebags on the main line with an entire region where 11,000 fellow alumni call home is pretty piss poor form CN, and you know it.

Comment by Brian R. 02.11.11 @ 10:29 am

Guys,

You all are overreacting. Kelly’s had a contract for forty people to eat dinner. Anyone who wanted to go to the bar could, but the pregame was only for 40 people! When 11,000 people were invited, Kelly’s had to step in. Grow up! :(

And Nova fans are gr8 people. I met one at Cracker Barrell the other day, and they were all awesome. We enjoyed some find Kolby Beef.

For REAL reactions by Nova fans, check out the rivals newsgroup Bench Warmers. We are all nice and welcoming there.

-Tom.

Comment by Tom Corbett Class of 66 02.12.11 @ 9:26 am

As a proud Alumnus of Pitt and lifelong resident of Conshohocken I must admit that I was not acsepted for admissions to Villa no fun and I must admit that it was the best thing not to be. I love Pitt and I hope we win by 150 points

Comment by tom kane 02.12.11 @ 9:49 am

You all are overreacting. Kelly’s had a contract for forty people to eat dinner. Anyone who wanted to go to the bar could, but the pregame was only for 40 people! When 11,000 people were invited, Kelly’s had to step in. Grow up!
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We’re overreacting? What do you call it when a bunch of “fans” force a business to cancel a legitimate contract because it involves a rival? And do you really think all 11,000 invitees were going to show up? It wasn’t an open invitation. It was to solicit RESERVATIONS so that the contract conditions could be met. I guess “nova never taught you anything about ethics or principles. Maybe you should have gone to Pitt where you would have, or maybe you should take another look at your school’s motto.

Comment by jimbo63 02.12.11 @ 10:10 am

If you don’t like what I have to say, don’t read it!!!! I thought this newsgroup was supposed to be fun and informative but instead some small group of people attack Nova!

Comment by Tom Corbett 02.12.11 @ 12:46 pm

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I know that the board of that club has several lawyers on it and I hope they sue that bar. One of the board members even has a Villanova law degree. Should come in handy!!!

Comment by JH14FOREVER 02.13.11 @ 1:33 pm

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