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January 27, 2011

Expansion Fantasy Zone

Filed under: 1-AA,Big East,Conference,Money,Non-BCS — Chas @ 2:41 pm

I really didn’t want to do this. I wanted to at least make it to May when there is a real dearth of subject matter. Reality, trending topics and of course the comments kind of forces my hand. If you can read this with the idea that I am speaking in a world-weary tone, while on my fourth Scotch (just enough so that I am a bit more tired, and slightly buzzed) it would be best.

I believe this spring and summer will see almost as much expansion rumor-mongering as this past offseason, but with even less action. We already have two teams heading to the Pac-12. The Big Ten gets its 12th member. Texas and the other nine of the Big 12 are staying together for the near-term. The ACC is holding until it has to. Same with the SEC — except that they are more in a crouch and pounce mode at all times. Notre Dame is still independent and will remain that way for some time.

The MWC is putting a brave face, while muttering about being justthisclose to being a BCS conference. The WAC is trying to avoid being at the Sun Belt bock level.

The Big East is the only conference that will make some sort of expansion move. Regardless of whether it is Villanova or UCF, that constitutes only a minor ripple in college football and college sports.

Let’s start with the Big East. For purposes of this, the Big East does not include Notre Dame since their interests — while at key points align with the basketball schools — are essentially just their own. Nor is TCU, since they aren’t going to be a member during any potential expansion this year.

As I said, contrary to the assertions of Big East Commissioner John (don’t call me “marionette”)  Marinatto, the Big East is most certainly waiting for Villanova to make up its mind. We can debate and rehash endlessly over the wisdom of it for Villanova or the Big East (and I am sure many of you will), but the reality is that competitive value has almost as little currency in present expansion and conference realignment as geographic fit.

This is about money, and claiming at least a toe-hold in major TV markets. Villanova offers that — no matter how tenuous it is.

Almost as important, they also offer the path of least resistance. The Big East is still a hybrid conference. That hasn’t changed. Rage about it. Bitch about it. Complain all you want. Demand that the conference splits and ND gets issued an ultimatum, etc. It is the reality. This means that almost half the conference has very different values, goals and economic goals than the other half. Getting the basketball schools to finally recognize that the football schools have to get to 10 teams was a miserable and tough slog that took several years.

Villanova, in the basketball schools’ collective view, solves that problem without further minimizing them in the conference. In their view, it also adds one of their own to the other side that are state schools (plus Syracuse) with large student populations and different goals and objectives. The needs of Villanova might shift because of football, the reasoning goes, but the core of the school and what it has been will remain. At least in the short term, that may even be true.

As limited financially the Big East football schools appear to be compared to their brethren in other football conferences, they look loaded compared to Big East basketball schools, as well as the non-BCS schools. Why do you think TCU is willing to move to the Big East and C-USA schools are willing to kill each other to get an invite to the Big East? The automatic BCS bid is not the reason. That’s merely a carrot. Compared to the MWC or C-USA, the Big East is much bigger money and exposure.

The basketball schools are in a tough financial spot. They have smaller revenue streams from alumni support and volume then their football counterparts in the Big East. And don’t even get in the conversation with the other BCS programs.

Their only sports revenue stream is from men’s basketball. Look at Seton Hall, Providence, DePaul, Marquette, St. John’s and Georgetown. The first two are under constant economic constraints. DePaul apparently can spend the money on the program but has not. That and a horrid arena situation makes it appear they are several years from possibly crawling out. Marquette, St. John’s and Georgetown all spend the money on basketball. But the fact is, they are pushing their upper limits and are not close to being self-supporting athletic departments.

At the same time, being in the Big East puts them on stronger footing than, say the A-10 or C-USA. They get more revenue from basketball, and far more exposure via ESPN. The basketball schools will not give that up, that is why they finally gave in to the football schools regarding the need for 10 members, even if it risks diluting the basketball side further and putting them deeper in a competitive hole.

They can’t risk a true split. They can’t risk getting either the economic shaft from ESPN without their football side, nor can they risk the lack of exposure that would come from taking a deal with Fox or CBS College Sports.

The SDSU-BYU game last night was wildly anticipated, covered and subject to tons of jokes about not being able to find it since it was on CBS College Sports channel. You think the BE basketball schools want that? They love being linked to Big Monday on ESPN (even if Marquette, Georgetown and Villanova only make one appearance each this year with nada for the other b-ball schools).

As for the football schools, as long as the basketball schools compromise on their football needs just enough, there’s no reason for them to leave yet. They can better lay claim to the NYC, D.C. and Philly markets — along with the recruiting. Those are still vital markets and while the Big East would be able to hold NYC with Syracuse, UConn and Rutgers all around, they would effectively be conceding the markets of Philly and D.C. to the Big 10 and ACC respectively.

This brings us back to UCF and Villanova. UCF seems more appealing because of further entrance into Florida for recruiting, greater penetration into the Orlando media market and clearly a more competitive football program. They have the facilities, money and are willing to spend to compete. Yet, they don’t really make the football conference better right away from a perception standpoint. They had a good 2010. They have been improving nicely, and got that bowl win over Georgia. At the same time, this is the first time they have posted back-to-back winning seasons since 2001-02. They have been up-and-down since — in C-USA.

They still need the Big East more than the Big East needs UCF. They don’t have other options. The SEC, Big 12, or ACC aren’t coming for them (Heck, the Big 12 seemed to look at SDSU first). Their only other scenario besides a Big East bid is a MWC/C-USA alliance. The Big East can wait and see with Villanova. UCF isn’t going anywhere. Not this year, not next year or beyond.

Then there is the rekindled rumors of USF trying to block UCF from joining. While USF isn’t in any hurry to have UCF in the Big East, I doubt they are actively sabotaging UCF, despite a paranoid, rumor-based, homer-tastic Orlando column suggesting otherwise.

Hopefully, all of the whispers you hear about the University of South Florida trying to block UCF from gaining an invitation to the Big East are emanating from message boards and not meeting rooms.

But I’m starting to wonder.

Really wonder.

“We have been hearing this, too,” UCF spokesperson Grant Heston said in an e-mailed response to the Sentinel about USF obstructing UCF’s potential path into the Big East. “We hope it’s not true, because our joining the Big East would clearly be a win-win for both universities.”

Now since it is college football’s offseason, and there is only so much to write about recruiting, this got a lot of play, despite little meat. To the point, where USF actually had to come out and say that while they wouldn’t discuss Big East business, USF is only interested in what’s best for the Big East. A non-denial, but it reflects how much play a speculative piece gets.

I doubt USF is actively backing UCF to the Big East, but USF simply doesn’t have the juice to block it either. No leverage, no base of support. They are one of the newest members. They don’t have long relationships with Big East and other members. They are simply a voter on this sort of thing.

Realistically the best thing for the football schools is to get Villanova first. If Villanova joins, then the full Big East member split becomes 10 football and 6 basketball (62.5% football majority). Not only is it a stronger majority than a 10-7 split (58.8%) that a UCF invite would create, but it would give the football side more leverage with the Philly market in its corner. The only true major market claimed solely by the basketball side would be D.C. (DePaul’s pathetic state makes Chicago as realistic as the A-10 claiming Pittsburgh because of Duquesne) and the middle market of Milwaukee.

In terms of football interests in the Big East, get Villanova in the fold. Then plan ahead for either taking UCF (and/or Houston) or picking over what remains of the Big 12 in a few years when it goes ka-boom.

And by the way, regarding all the silliness regarding Texas A&M being pissed off about Texas ESPN channel enough to leave for the SEC.

2. Texas’ announcement that it will be the first in the country to show live rowing and cross country — oh, and one football game, a million football practices and a kajillion football interviews before and after practice — will have a number of domino-falls. Among them, I’m guessing, is a spike in Texas A&M’s interest in joining the SEC.

Said one prominent Aggie, “I certainly think it’s going to create some reaction from some Aggies who will say, ‘(The heck with) Texas. Let’s do our own deal.’ I don’t think Texas is winning friends and influencing people among their Big 12 brethren. As for the SEC, it may be a lot of noise, but I don’t sense a lot of groundswell from the president or athletic director’s office.”

Maybe so, but who could blame A&M and Oklahoma if they didn’t unite at some point to shift to the SEC, which I think would scoop them up in a second. I am told A&M AD Bill Byrne may rally the other eight non-Longhorn schools to try to pool their third-tier rights together and package them under the Big 12 name. You know, the We’re Not Texas channel.

That’s all speculation from a columnist using an anonymous source that has spun further speculation and scenarios. No seriously. Every other story that goes off on it, and it comes back to this column speculating on Texas A&M being really pissed enough to leave. The only thing that looks certain to happen is that Texas A&M will try to keep the new channel from airing high school games.





Bianchi’s column is profoundly terrible.

Comment by Jon 01.27.11 @ 2:50 pm

I understand the Big East giving Villanova the option of joining, but I believe it will take a long time for them to become competive. A better option would be to get Boston College to consider coming back, I don’t think things are really working out for them in the ACC. Another option is going with Houston which would give TCU someone in the conference nearby for them to play and further develop the Texas market for the Big East. I’m sure with the Big East’s visability in basketball, that kids would looking BE schools.

Comment by Justinian 01.27.11 @ 6:32 pm

BC is not coming back. There are plenty of reasons why not, but the simplest reason is cold, hard, cash. The money from the ACC, especially with their new contract is too good. It’s something in the neighborhood of $12 mill/year.

Comment by Chas 01.27.11 @ 6:41 pm

Looks like the NCAA-BCS is headed even more so to the scenario of the ‘Haves’ and the ‘Have-nots’.

Is sports reflecting society as a whole?

The NBA certainly does… as does MLB, the NFL with equal revenue sharing certainly does not. (and as such is the most popular, since teams like the Saints have won the SB and the Bucs have appeared in them) And we have seen the money each team or conference gets or shares in NCAA football. It appears the NCAA is pretty much already there. The NCAA-BCS might be careful here, if this year’s bowl season is an indication of growing unrest among the faithful. As even though record money was paid to Bowl participants and conferences this year, TV ratings were down and bowl attendance was also way down.

This structure IMHO has already ruined the NBA and MLB. What it does to NCAA football & society as a whole, will be epic in both regards.

Comment by melvin bennett 01.27.11 @ 7:14 pm

You are absolutely correct Chas. No way BC would come back, as you pointed out, it’s all about the money. Which is why they left in the first place, along with Miami. Va Tech… which the ACC didn’t want at first (they wanted Syracuse) was ironically the only one who is a geographic and cultural fit with the ACC.

But when it comes to $$$$, tradition, cultural fits, geography, travel costs and all the other stuff involved, all gets tossed out the window.
Money is king. I think it’s fitting that Miami has done nothing in football in the ACC, BC will always be a middle tier team in the ACC and has yet to establish a real rival with another ACC school (think State Penn in the Little 11) and most likely never will. And the ACC as a whole in football is actually worse than the BigEast in BCS bowls since 2002, so they got no upgrade in football at all. All quite funny.

Comment by melvin bennett 01.27.11 @ 7:27 pm

not sure how realistic this is but I always thought picking off Houston and Central Florida would be very instrumental if the decision was ever to get to 12.

You could build (relatively speaking) geographic regions:

South:
UCF
USF
Houston
TCU
Louisville
Cincy

North
Pitt
UConn
Rutgers
Villanova
Syracuse
WVU

As a Backyard brawl guy I would like to see WVU and Pitt split to get it into a Conference Championship…but that would perhaps reduce the chance of meeting yearly for the backyard brawl.

Anyway you have instant battles of Florida and Texas to market to ESPN (yeah I know it will take a little time but not so much as you would think)and meanwhile set yourself up for champoinship football for revenue purposes.

I know it’s just a dream and likely won’t happen but I think it would have instant benefits.

DaveD

Comment by DaveD 01.27.11 @ 7:42 pm

UCF’s appeal isn’t the one really good year it just had or the fact that its basketball team is pretty decent, it is of course its large TV market and location which is right in the heart of great FB recruting region.

If Tex A&M and OK State bolts to the SEC, then we do we have to start worrying that TCU would jump to the B12?

Comment by wbb 01.27.11 @ 7:58 pm

Bad recruting news: WR Keysharris Garrett recommitted to Tulsa (from Pitt)

(possible) good news: 3-star Scout / 4-star Rivals LB Nicholas Grigglesby is supposed very high on Pitt and is visiitng this weekend … same for previous commit Desimon Green … good to get some defesnive commits

Comment by wbb 01.27.11 @ 8:21 pm

@wbb, that’s excellent, as we know we need LB help immediately. As far as receivers, we have a dearth of them, Street, Shanahan, Saddler, there were several red-shirted, with one that is 6-4 and played in the Big 33 game. Also I believe Todd Thomas(redshirt) is a WR who could be dynamic in Graham’s offense. Let’s get Grigglesby and Green signed on the dotted line.

HTP

Comment by melvin bennett 01.27.11 @ 8:37 pm

Salath Williams, WR, 6’3 Bishop McDevitt … not to mention 6’4 Drew Carswell of Sto-Rox and 6’3 Thomas … plenty of tall WR with lotsa eligibility

Comment by wbb 01.27.11 @ 9:09 pm

I think we have a surfeit of receivers. It is LBs and defensive secondary players we have a dearth of.
(Sorry, I have lived with two captains in the grammar police for too long. I probably have errors in this, but then they don’t read this blog.)
Back to football-did FRANKCAN post a list of defensive commits? I can’t find it.

Comment by Pwmcdupitt 01.27.11 @ 9:37 pm

WR Keyarris Garrett, who was being recruited hard by the former Tulsa coaches at PItt, decided today to stick with Tulsa instead of coming to Pitt. He’s the big 6’5” WR from Texas that a few of us were talking about last week.

Beaver Falls TE Devin Cook will be visiting Pitt this weekend and, according to Scout, will likely commit this weekend.

West Palm Beach (Fla.) William T. Dwyer cornerback Darrell Hunter has been committed to Bowling Green since mid-December, but he’ll make his final decision on college tomorrow and Pitt is in the running.

Ohio LB Nicholas Grigsby, a four-star prospect ranked among the top 20 inside linebackers in the nation, will visit Pitt this weekend and Pitt may be in the lead for his services.

Orlando 3-star FL safety Roderick Ryles (6’1” 185 lb 4.5 speed) was a late addition to Pitt’s recruiting target list and Pitt is in his top four after an official visit this past weekend.
Lloyd Carrington, a 3-star CB from TX, is looking forward to his weekend trip to Pitt – he’s 6’0 with 4.43 speed.

Four star LB Dominique Petties will be up this weekend at Pitt. He “is an athletic, fast outside linebacker/safety hybrid that is capable of playing near the box as well as in space. He has a thick, strong build on a sturdy frame and will probably tap out at about 225 given his height.” He’s only played football for a couple of years.

A bunch of other guys are coming in this weekend – I heard they were still adding names today for the weekend visit – we could have 15+ kids coming in for a last weekend recruiting push.

Here are two QBs we are looking at (with video links):
Michael Eubank id the 4-star QB from CA who is coming in this weekend – big kid (6’5” 220 lb with a lot of muscle) with a nice arm a decent speed for a big kid: link to youtube.com
Eubank is down to Pitt, Arizona St, and Utah – he’s be a great “get” for the new staff. He comes from a pass happy offense – he has a HUGE arm and can pack a punch when he runs.

Cormac Craigie is the lessen known and lower rated QB from NY (6’2”) that we are looking at: – can pass and run: link to youtube.com

Comment by dish 01.27.11 @ 10:14 pm

The areas of need considering they are already bringing in 4 running backs, are linebackers, defensive backs and offensive linemen. Address the immediate needs and than gear up for next year.

Comment by Justinian 01.27.11 @ 10:33 pm

How does UCF and Houston measure up to the existing Big East schools academically? To what extent does that matter? Personally, it means little as long as we can recruit some defensive backs with cover skills.

Comment by stevie mac 01.29.11 @ 10:24 pm

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