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November 16, 2010

After this many years following Coach Wannstedt at Pitt, I probably am not the only one to know what he says in most situations. From last week:

The thing that probably has me most pissed is that Wannstedt will not devote any introspection as to why his teams have blown every national appearance, Why his teams play so poorly with extra preparation. Instead, it will be because of the turnovers that Pitt lost. Nothing else.

Monday presser:

When you look back on it and give up a touchdown on the kickoff, which in my mind is like a turnover, then have two other turnovers — an interception and a fumble — it’s very difficult to overcome that and beat anybody. It’s my job, our job as coaches, to keep working with the kids to correct those mistakes, and I know we’re capable of doing it. Leading up to that game we played three games in a row where we were focused and, for the most part, protected the football. So we know we’re capable of doing it. We just have to get back to coaching them up and having an emphasis on what wins games. We must fix the mistakes that need to be corrected.

Actually, he missed an interception. Sunseri threw two. And even a ‘Cuse beat writer makes fun of Wannstedt and the mantra of turnovers being the reason.

As expected, Pitt failed to execute. They had lapses mentally. There was no problem with the preparation. It’s just a coincidence that Pitt can’t win games with extra preparation. It’s always something else. And don’t worry, Coach Wannstedt is sure that now that the mistakes happened — again — they can be corrected. God forbid that there be any questions why the same mistakes, failure to execute and lapses keep happening.

Now here’s where I get really depressed. A surprising admission from Sunseri after the game about a key moment in the waning minutes of the first half when Pitt failed to get a 4th and 1 play off in time.

That sequence was bizarre enough, the explanation — players were too busy trash talking to get into their stances — may be near the top of reasons for poor execution.

“After the play there was some talking back-and-forth between the players [on both teams] and stuff,” Sunseri said. “And we just talked a little bit too much and we didn’t get back into the huddle and didn’t get up to the line. And in our offense, you can tell there are a lot of shifts and motions and we like to try and confuse the defense by putting people on the perimeter, and we broke the huddle with not enough time to be able do that stuff.

“We have a call to bring those [perimeter] guys in and I relayed the call out to the receivers … to bring those guys in but I guess I didn’t speak loud enough to the center and ultimately that is my responsibility to make sure he gets that call.”

And Coach Wannstedt’s response when asked about it?

“No. How that happens is if there is ever a problem with either team, the officials waste no time bringing it to my attention. There was no conversation about that. They (Pitt) might have been late coming out of the huddle. It was a pretty intense game, a really physical game. It (verbal exchanges) was not an issue, in my mind, from the standpoint of us being able to execute (the fourth-down play) correctly.”

Never happened. Really. Trust me. If there was, the officials would have told me. I saw nothing (which is apparently how he failed to notice the play clock and call a timeout from the sideline). Just mistakes and lapses by the players in being late out of the huddle.

Not that even when Coach Wannstedt didn’t have time to craft his responses, he had any explanation as to how his teams continually have flopped in big games.

“I don’t have an answer, except our maturity to play a game on the road on national TV — we didn’t get it done,” Wannstedt said. “We didn’t handle it in any phase.”

One would think that would also include the coaching, but I doubt Coach Wannstedt sees it that way.





Hiring Wannstedt is a correctable mistake…

Comment by TJ 11.16.10 @ 1:42 pm

The literal playcalling and getting the info into the QB, digested by the QB and to the players – then lining up and snapping the ball has been a problem since the training camps… that is why we were joking about the ‘damning with faint praise’ when DW was reporting how happy he was the Sunseri was “getting the players in and out of the huddle” in camp.

Obviously this instance was more like the Keystone Cops but they need to simplify this for Sunseri- I’d say at least once a game we are getting delay of game penalties.

Comment by Reed 11.16.10 @ 1:59 pm

The Oxymoron that is a Dave Wannstedt program…

Always working on perfecting execution…in order to get rid of mistakes.

Humans are inherently flawed…ergo…perfect execution is impossible to obtain.

The trick that seems to allude Wanny is to maximize your opportunities in order to neutralize/mitigate the impact that negatives can make.

It’s a lesson he will never learn and in effect will help keep this program mired in a state of perpetual mediocrity.

DaveD

Comment by DaveD 11.16.10 @ 2:09 pm

Has anyone began to ask the question about whether Pederson is capable? The buck stops at the top – Steve Pederson

Here is what they were saying in Nebraska when Tom Osborne pulled the trigger on Steve Pederson as AD

“In the four years since firing Frank Solich and becoming the most hated man in Nebraska because of a protracted search for a new head coach, Steve Pederson failed to make any effort to make that right. Instead of once being contrite about how he’d handled things, he remained too confident, and that arrogance cast a pall over the athletic department, and with that the state of Nebraska. I fail to see how giving Pederson another year would have made any difference, other than it would have driven more people away.

Does firing Pederson solve all of the problems facing Husker football? No, but it’s a darn good first step.”

Now look at Nebraska. Top 10 and moving to the Big Ten. Makes you begin to re-evaluate EVERYONE doesn’t it.

link to cornnation.com

Comment by PITT fan in Atlanta 11.16.10 @ 2:15 pm

hahah TJ NAILED IT

Comment by DeVanzo 11.16.10 @ 2:52 pm

Did Wannstedt address the fact that the opposing tailback ran 37 times for 222 yards!!!! Is that correctable Mr. Wannstedt? Did he mention that we lost a game where the opposing QB completed 9 passes? Did he mention the fact that the opposing head coach went for it on a 4th and 1 AT HIS OWN 20 yard line hanging on to a 2 point lead with 2 minutes to go? He opted to run the ball AND GOT THE FIRST DOWN. Pitt didn’t call a timeout to call a play and perhaps make the QB who had completed 9 passes do something. No just line-up in the 4-3 that had been shredded all day. Is this correctable you pusillanimous moron? Instead blame it on execution and turnovers. Wannsted is the living, breathing Peter principle. Please take your tired, uninspired, unimaginative brand of coaching and football elsewhere.

By the way, I will not be attending the backyard brawl and I suggest the rest of the fans that are sick of Mr. Wannstedt do the same. And don’t call me a fair-weather fan. I have attended pretty much every home game since 1998 and am traveling to NYC to watch the basketball team this Thursday.

Comment by Omar 11.16.10 @ 2:54 pm

Pitt fan in Atlanta: You are right on. At least the Nebraska fans took care of business. We may need to do the same.

Comment by TonyinHouston 11.16.10 @ 3:03 pm

Totally agree, DaveD. As I’ve said many times, Wanny is a risk-aversionist by nature. Given two options he will always choose the one with less downside and forego the other which has more risk but also more upside. In investing, it’s a safe strategy. In sports, it’s a formula for mediocrity.

Comment by TampaT 11.16.10 @ 3:14 pm

Hey we made it, one of the most disappointing college football teams this year!

link to news.yahoo.com

Comment by Lou Holtz's false teeth! 11.16.10 @ 3:24 pm

So tired of the sos. Saw DW press conference and got to hear all the same shit. His act is well past its expiration date. I know Dave, penalties and turnovers cost you the game. Well how bout this. Either coach them up to prevent them or better yet, how bout learn to overcome them. Penalties & turnovers ARE part of the game. They happen. I think Oregon & Auburn have committed turnovers and penalties , but have done things to compensate for them. If you listen to this ass talk, you’d think the only way they can win is if they have no turnovers, no penalites, no incompletions, no miss takckles, etc. Seems like alot to ask.

Comment by Z-Boy 11.16.10 @ 4:02 pm

What? Are we supposedto care what a ‘Cuse “BEAT WRITER” posts? Actually, Those New Yorkers have ambitions of their own this season and anything they can do to foil the Panthers they will TRY to do. May I remind the gentleman from New York that the Panthers did veru well on his turf a few weeks ago. Come on Panther fans, the sky is not falling.Everything will be much better after Pitt plays as it can and WILL against the Bulls, the Mountaineers and the Bearcats. That won’t be easy, but the games should not be lost before they are played. Meantime, the ‘Burghers should not play the blame game. Even though they are good at it. Rev. George

Comment by Rev. George Mehaffey 11.16.10 @ 4:14 pm

I would love a coach that one time says, I made a mistake, I didn’t prepare the team well enough, I took a gamble and shouldn’t have, I put us in a bad situation, etc…even if it isn’t the truth. Guess what Wanny, blaming everything on execution still comes back to you big guy. You’re team can’t execute than you must not have them ready. We need someone with some fire, cockiness and swagger. Someone who will try to win and not try not to lose. Someone who players are confident playing for. Someone who can take risks and if loses say, that ones on me. It gets old hearing the blame put on 20 year old kids each game. If this team didn’t have the attitude of their head coach they could very well be undefeated or have one loss at this point. There is still talent on the field.

Comment by Henry Hynoceros 11.16.10 @ 4:27 pm

I think a good bit of the bashing of Wanny is due to the fact he spouts the same broken record after every loss. It almost sounds like he doesn’t care, and has a script that appeases the yinzer media out there. If he’d actually speak the facts and with some heart I’d at least get the warm and fuzzy that he’s actually addressing the glaring issues.

Comment by Brian 11.16.10 @ 4:37 pm

Bump Wanny up to AD after Pederson is canned. The fix is simple.

Comment by Gas 11.16.10 @ 5:00 pm

Think Wanny would have goone for two against Nebraska like Rhoads did???

Comment by markp 11.16.10 @ 5:30 pm

Zeise has a good Q&A today. I’m beginning to think that he’s lost hope like me given the constant stuttering of this program. He makes a good point about Boise.

Comment by TX Panther 11.16.10 @ 6:04 pm

Pederson did hire Howland … but would he had hired Dixon? hard to say although he supposedly had a real good relationship with Dixon before he left for Nebraska

I actually think the idea of bumping Wanny up to AD a good idea … although I would prefer Asst AD / Chief FB rectuit coordinator

Comment by wbb 11.16.10 @ 6:16 pm

Chas, I couldn’t agree more about Wannstedt’s lack of reflection. He seems to view all actions in universal terms and, as a result, can’t adjust for context. In Wannstedt World, turnovers are bad and if you lose while committing more turnovers, turnovers are the exclusive reason for the loss. This is what qualifies as insight.

Of course, the rest of the NCAA also happens to know that turnovers are bad. Yet, what they realize that Wannstedt doesn’t is this: The negative impact of turnovers is increased substantially when you play a close-to-the-vest style that takes relatively few chances, elevates systems and plays above players, relies on bleeding the clock and depends on wearing the opponent down before prevailing late. With this approach, when mistakes (turnovers) occur they’re often devastating because the system builds in little room for error and leaves less time to overcome them.

This is fine for a team that shows a consistent ability to execute at high level. The Steelers have proven this (Sunday night’s debacle notwithstanding). But there’s a subtle difference here: The Steelers are a PROFESSIONAL football team. They are infinitely more talented, much more experienced and have loads more practice and preparation time than college students. To expect Pitt’s players to implement a risk-minimization approach that, in order to succeed, requires the same level of clean play exhibited by pros is not realistic. And even the Steelers take way more chances on defense than Pitt.

An emphasis on avoiding mishaps is appropriate, but not to the point where it creates an atmosphere of fear and reticence that prevents players from flourishing. Not to the point where square-peg players are crammed into the system’s round hole. Not to the point where players are tight and constantly make nervous errors – the same errors the system is designed to avoid. Watching Pitt play is like watching someone try to get rid of the hiccups, the more they focus on not hiccupping, the more they do.

The Wannstedt approach, as other posters have noted previously, is not well-suited to minimizing personnel disadvantages. I know that many contributors to this blog think Pitt has a murder’s row of talent, but there are huge, glaring holes. I won’t rehash the evaluation here, but I think it’s clear Pitt has three entire units that are subpar by BCS Conference standards, the offensive line, linebackers and secondary. This is probably a combination of recruiting misses, development issues and bad luck, but make no mistake, this is not Alabama-level talent. It might not even be Ole Miss-level talent. True, Pitt and WVU have more stars than the other Big East teams, but stars don’t mean much when you have a porous offensive line and a leaky secondary. Ask the Steelers about that – and they have Roethlisberger at quarterback to compensate for some of their deficits. Pitt has no such luxury.

Bottom line, an 8-4 season is not a disaster, but it’s an ominous sign because it contains all the same deficiencies that have characterized the first five years of Wannstedt’s reign. Barring a strong finishing kick that erases the tendencies described above, I see little reason to expect significant progress in 2011. If that’s the case, then I may have to admit the ole’ boy simply doesn’t have it in him. The only thing preventing that assessment now is the reluctance to declare this regime a sunk cost.

Comment by Ulteriormotifs 11.16.10 @ 7:22 pm

Gents. You are all overreacting. Accept the mediocrity that is Pitt football. That’s what we are supposed to do…right?

Comment by Pitt it IS 11.16.10 @ 7:51 pm

wbb: I had suggested putting him in that Asst. AD role they had created for Majors. Upon reflection, you’d have to pay him plus a new HC. In that case, so you might as well fire him and start clean. The cost to Pitt would be about the same. Yes, I guess you’d have a recruiter but you’d also have his shadow over the program.

Comment by TampaT 11.16.10 @ 8:01 pm

Give us Walt back…at least the games were entertaining!

Comment by Marco 11.16.10 @ 10:42 pm

link to stubhub.com

Is parking really this bad?

Comment by Luke 11.16.10 @ 11:05 pm

I don’t know if anyone brought this up at all, but if they already did sorry. During the 4th quarter of the UCONN game they showed the splits for Todman’s rushing yards and how about 75% of them were on runs to the left. I bring this up because a good coach would have had this information and you know used a run blitz to that side of the line on the 4th down. Not Wanny just let them do what they have been doing all night and take away the game. The reality is that Wanny’s coaching style really relies on luck because that’s what you have be, lucky, to have your team play mistake-free ball for 12 games. It’s not plausible for this to be expected, yet it’s the exact mantra that his coaching philosophy is built on. With that being said, I find it remarkable that he is still able get kids to want to play for him in this system.

Comment by Rob 11.16.10 @ 11:38 pm

Ulteriormotifs, you make some good points.

DW is as stubborn as he is because of a real limited football intellectual reach – that is he has had a few successful periods in his life , most notably coaching at U of Miami and Dallas, and thus he keeps having to replicate that.

He has no ability to see situations on their own merit – either long term or short term – and adjust his thinking and actions accordingly.

Comment by Reed 11.17.10 @ 5:14 am

Good points, Reed, and an interesting perspective.

Many think he’s stubborn because of a huge ego, but it may be because he only knows and can only trust the way he’s always done things. And, that goes back to his success with someone else making the big decisions, Jimmy J. To Wanny, it’s proven; it’s safe; and so it’s best.

I don’t know him personally, but he doesn’t seem like a huge ego guy. Sure he has an ego; everyone with some success does. But maybe he always blames things on execution and turnovers – the players’ performance – because otherwise he’d have to admit to himself that he only knows one way to game plan. So the opponent doesn’t really matter. The game circumstances don’t matter. It’s always the same, and “the kids just have to get better” at doing it that way.

Therefore, when mistakes or surprises happen during the game, he seemingly goes into panic mode, because he may have to deviate from his norm. The choices in front of him all appear as high risk, because they are all off of his plan.

It speaks to Rob’s point above as well. Yes, Rob, that 4th and 1 and the fact that Todman got 3/4 of his rushing to the left was discussed. But, it’s a good example to illustrate what Reed said in his last sentence. Edsall’s taking a huge risk by going for it was a surprise. So, Wanny did not, or rather could not, adjust to the facts that were in front of him. He instead reverted to his comfort zone of “don’t make mistakes” mode and had the players more worried about jumping offsides than stopping a run to the left.

Comment by TampaT 11.17.10 @ 8:31 am

Even if we finish at 8-4 and we think that is acceptable, don’t start thinking ahead to next season as getting better. Take a look at the recruiting class. See any lineman among the group? See any recruits that can sure up weak spots that continue to plague DW’s teams. I do not. So we either have some hot shots on the sidelines or we will tap the JUCO ranks and both of those scenarios raise red flags of their own. Expect more of the same no matter what year it is, what game it is.

Comment by Pitt it IS 11.17.10 @ 8:59 am

Absolutely Pitt it IS, shall I, “well, we’re a young team”, “we lost a lot of talent”, “the kids are gonna have to step up”, “ya, he played, but, really, Tino is still a very young QB”, oh, you can play this same record out for as long as he’s gonna be here. With deference to any Jewish Panther fans out there, may I??? OY VEY!!!!

Comment by Dan 11.17.10 @ 9:08 am

Who would take the pitt job.. and not consider it a stepping stone job ?

Comment by Snala The Panther 11.17.10 @ 9:09 am

Thanks, Pitt it IS. Yes, you’re right, but I’ve been trying not to think about next year. This year is depressing enough.

Snala: It’s probably a moot point. Wanny’s not going anywhere unless he wants to. Maybe he’ll announce a retirement year and they’ll do something like name Cignetti as “head coach in waiting.” Wow! I’m really reaching now.

Comment by TampaT 11.17.10 @ 9:26 am

Over $200 for parking! Ridiculous! I will park in permit parking on the street over in Manchester and take the $120 fine any day!

Comment by Greg 11.17.10 @ 9:51 am

Or just use a PPG Parking lot north / west of the Stadium for $40 cash, or park at Station Square and take the boat over, or park in the downtown garages for ~$5.

Gold 1 is the “premier” ticket lot with all of the donors that blow tens of thousands to the program to get enough “points” to get those spots. They paid whatever donations they got + $90 for the pass. The guy is just fishing for a sucker.

Comment by Brian 11.17.10 @ 10:37 am

Ulteriormotifs:

You hit it right on, Wanny utilizes his pro coaching philosophy and it really does not translate very well to the college game.

Some say he is stubborn, I say it is his unwillingness to adapt because of his core coaching beliefs, he is a dinosaur and should be extinct.

10-3 is about as good as it will get under Wanny, we will have a few 6-6 seasons, maybe an 8-4, then 9-3 then slip back.

It looks like the administration is content and quite frankly we are a mediocre football program, plain and simple.

It sucks being a Pitt football fan because we are fed the same line of crap about great recruiting classes and being Big East favorites.

We will not win the Big East in football this year, the gagging has started and the choke job will continue this weekend!

Sorry for being so negative but thats how I feel!

Comment by Lou Holtz's false teeth! 11.17.10 @ 10:42 am

Reed

Wanny was holding onto Jimmy Johnson in Dallas, at the University of Miami and Miami.

Jimmy made all of the calls and set the table at Miami for Dave as headcoach, Dave just was along for the ride!

Like I said before he is a dinosaur and should be extinct!

Comment by Lou Holtz's false teeth! 11.17.10 @ 10:45 am

Wow! Really good posts here about Wanny’s approach to the game and inability to adjust to the different circumstances. Ulteriormotifs, Reed and TampaT — excellent points! Also, Paul Ziese provided an excellent response to a Q&A regarding Pitt’s lack of a killer instant and play not to make a single mistake philosophy. I think Wanny is a great ambassador for Pitt and really does love the University and the city. However, I honestly can not believe how unable/unwilling he is to adjust to absolutely anything that does not fall within a conservation offensive gameplan and a base 4-3 defense. The Todman example that many of you have been using is the perfect example of where we are as a football program, especially the past 3 years with tremendous talent. Todman ran left…then ran left somemore…then ran left again…then ran left to the point it was brutal to watch the game. And not one adjustment. How about a run blitz? How about stacking the box? Frazer is horrible. If he beats you making pinpont throws on deep outs to the far end of the field then I guess it was just his day. But in no way, shape or form can you let Todman (UCONN’s best player) to absolutely own you while Frazer sits back and is not force to do a thing. This I just can not understand.

Comment by JAM 05 Pitt 11.17.10 @ 11:17 am

firing the AD is not the answer, making a head coach move may be….but this is the same AD that has one of the most successful basketball programs in the country…Pitt football is what you see is what you get…our expectations are ridiculous for this program….why dont we all accept that if we are over .500 we have had a good season…this is not a program worthy of the national spotlight…..it is what it is….yes we have talent and every team does, look at NFL rosters, the players come from everywhere….so either support mediocrity or dont…..when they begin to have an empty stadium, that is when you will see a change, and i guarantee less will be at heinz field next year….they will be begging for people to come….and just wait, WVU will pack heinz….just like cincy did last year….dont expect anything from this program until they find a coach, who can do it all….and those are limited….only new leadership can right the ship….but i do not think the AD is the problem, his willingness on a timely change may be.

Comment by DRGAGS 11.17.10 @ 11:27 am

Why are there so many complacent Pitt football fans? Just because you can’t name a successor to Wanny doesn’t mean there aren’t a slew of qualified candidates out there. Ben Howland wasn’t exactly a well known coach when he came to Pitt. And many Pitt fans were against hiring Jamie Dixon — who is the best coach in Pittsburgh!!

Make Wanny the Assistant AD job or anything else but being a coach.

A successful program will bring in good recruits just as well as Wanny does.

Bring back the pride to Pitt Football!

Comment by Panther Pride 11.17.10 @ 12:24 pm

I am a BROKEN RECORD, BROKEN RECORD, BROKEN RECORD because I keep asking the same question–How much responsibility for our miserable play stems from poor coaching from our assistants?
Are Bennett and Cignetti not completely up to the job or does Wanny turn a deaf ear to their in-game suggestions? Wanny has the headphones on, pacing the sidelines, running his fingers through his hair,grimacing at the on field follies…DOES HE LISTEN TO HIS OFFENSIVE AND DEFENSIVE COORDINATORS…or are they feeding him bad advice?? Somebody please respond, BROKEN RECORD,BROKEN RECORD.

Comment by isnore 11.17.10 @ 4:50 pm

Gentlemen:May I remind you ALL that the Pitt Panthers are 3-1 in their conference and that is good enough for first place. As for the future.well, we shall see what “the fates decree”. As far as being a basketball school is concerned—-is it [ossible for a university to be better than average at BOTH the grid and roundball sports? I cast my vote in the affirmative. Rev. George

Comment by Rev. George Mehaffey 11.17.10 @ 6:31 pm

Actually for this loser fan base and/or Pitt alum, this team is exactly what this loser fan base deserves. Never seen such a pack of losers, whiners & complainers. Actually the team should be 0-9 based on the women-ly whiners who seem to dominate this site. Keep it up, you’re all very amusing.

Comment by badnewspanthers 11.17.10 @ 7:11 pm

Rev. George – you have found your calling in the Church because you indeed are the universal optimist.

Most of us see the handwriting on the wall (in huge spray painted letters obviously) that this is not going to end well.

It actually can’t end well IMO unless we win out and score a BCS upset (of the century)in our bowl game.

I will not hold my breath that will happen as I haven’t see one iota of good play against any sort of decent competition that would lead me to believe we should, or could, beat our future opponents.

This has been the worst season we’ve had under Wannstedt I believe because the pieces were in place and the valid expectations also, that we’d play good solid football against a good schedule.

We’ve fallen down completely.

Comment by Reed 11.18.10 @ 4:53 am

Reed is spot on, Rev. George. I’m sure I would enjoy your sermons, because I doubt there’s a any fire and brimstone in them. They’re probably more about heavenly reward, which I’m all for.

Being a Pitt football fan with Wanny is kind of like being stuck in Purgatory. You can see Heaven, but it’s always just out of reach. And, Hell is right behind you and just as close.

I’m an optimist by nature, and I’m willing to bet there are many other optimists who contribute to this blog. However, when your optimism is continually crushed by these inexplicable gaffs during Wanny’s tenure, it becomes more and more difficult to fend off negativity. We’re humans and we’re flawed.

Please continue to remind us that there is a Heaven, and that one day we may reach it.

Comment by TampaT 11.18.10 @ 7:34 am

An old business adage, that many of you certainly know, and applies, certainly to our situation at Pitt…….”who is the customer that you fear the most???”……..”oh, the one who is upset, and is complaining, and not happy”………..”absolutely not, the customer that is feared the most, is the customer who is upset, not happy, but does not complain, they just go away, to never be seen from or heard from again!!”….lesson….don’t be too upset with any of us, WHO LOVE PITT, but, are upset and not happy with Pitt football right now and are making their feelings known!

Comment by Dan 11.18.10 @ 10:38 am

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