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May 14, 2010

Talking Panthers With Gophers

Filed under: Bloggers,Conference,Money — Chas @ 1:18 pm

The Daily Gopher is doing Q&As with potential Big Something expansion candidates. Today was Pitt’s turn with me providing the answers. As has become almost common, from a fan and competition standpoint we are well liked. It’s just that thing that this is all about that is the problem.

In the pecking order Pitt sits behind Rutgers but ahead of Syracuse and UConn.  Notre Dame, Texas and Nebraska would be ahead of the Panthers as well.  And then their resume is very similar to Missouri’s. At 14, I think it is doubtful but at 16 I think they are right in the mix.  Personally I think they’d be a great addition when seeing this from all angles.

But as we all know, this is all about the money for both sides. Then again, if this wasn’t about the money why would we really want Pitt out of the Big East.





did you notice that one comment at the bottom of the linked Gopher blog from the PSU fan (Jesse)who claims that there is no interest in Pgh about this expansion topic???

Comment by wbb 05.14.10 @ 7:28 pm

Time to grab the bull by the horns and stop pussy-footing around waiting to be pick (or not picked) for the prom. PITT, WVU, SU, and UCONN must act now. Rutgers should be on its own since they seem to believe that they are the darling to be courted by the Big Something.

Here is a scenario that should play out for PITT and its historic East Coast brethren

Scenario 1
Time to lose the anchor weighing down the Big Dogs. Everyone knows that Football is King and if you aren’t playing D-1 Football then you must go. Adios Seton Hall, Marquette, G-town, Providence, St Johns, Depaul, and Nova.
Regroup with
PITT
WVU
Syracuse
UCONN
(The newest nembers are on their own once again.
UC,UofL,USF. Tell Rutger to test the BIG Ten market but that is their choice. The Domers must now go it alone for good)

ACC currently sits at 12 with BC, Maryland, Vtech,UVA,UNC, NCSt, WF, Clemson, Gtech, FSU, Miami, Duke. Add the four former Big East schools and you have the magical 16 along with a true Northeast TV market that BC was unable to deliver. Use the former Big East members (BC, Vtech, and Miami) as the middle man for sending out feelers. You know BC is getting lonely in the ACC so they are willing to help in any manner possible. The four former Big East members bring rich football (Pitt, WVU) and terrific Basketball (Pitt, WVU, SU, Uconn). Even coach K would stiffen up for these additions. Basketball would rule the roost and football would finally get a true footing in the major media. Let’s face it, Wake and Duke are killing the credibility of ACC football. You need more star power. Every week would be a different National Rivalvry in football.
PITT-WVU
FSU-Miami
Vtech-UVA
Syracuse-BC
BC-Uconn
WVU-Maryland
Gtech-Clemson
Pitt-Vtech

Scenario number 2
Go BIG. Real BIG.
Shed basketball playing schools and keep all football (except for Rutgers- can’t stomach the gloating going on in Jersey about the BIG Something interest)
New BIG East
PITT
WVU
SU
UConn
UC
UofL
USF
Add Navy and Army

Go to the ACC, Mountain West (BYU, Utah, SD St, TCU, Wyoming, UNLV,Colorado St. USAF), and form a confederation which will collaborate on its own TV network stretching from east to west. Form a championship playoff series of 6 teams. Top two ranked teams get first week bye. Go toe to toe with the BIG Something and SEC. Only real chance is to combine forces (economy of scale baby).

Time for the football playing schools in BE (minus Rutgers and the domers) to get to work.

Comment by PITT fan in Atlanta 05.14.10 @ 8:34 pm

Chas,

One big thing you forgot to mention as a plus for Pitt is our excellent wrestling program. Wrestling is big sport in the Big Ten and ours would be more than competitive.

Comment by John in South Carolina 05.14.10 @ 8:43 pm

Pitt better hope for a B-10 invite and not the ACC. When all of the raiding ends the ACC could lose Miami and Flordia St. and the ACC will be a glorified BE with a few more teams. Don’t forget how BC is treated at bowl time. Same thing could happen to Pitt.

Comment by joel 05.14.10 @ 8:53 pm

A question from a curious Gopher fan: If by some chance Pitt does get an invite,do you think there might be some interest in developing a D1 hockey program? I realize this has been kicked around for years at PSU,and I know there is some high school hockey being played in western Pa.With the resurgance of the Pens and the new arena being built,interest in the sport should be at a high level. Any suitable rink near campus(5-6k seating,minimum.)A Big Ten hockey conference has been unfeasible with only 5 schools playing the sport,but,depending on other schools invited,the possibility may exist.

Comment by mahogma 05.14.10 @ 10:13 pm

At a club level Pitt has hockey. I think if Pitt ended up in the Big Something, you could see it elevated. Pitt would have the money to invest in that kind of program. The new Consol center would afford a location to play. That was one of the sports I mentioned in the Q&A w. Daily Gopher that I thought Pitt would consider adding.

Comment by Chas 05.15.10 @ 12:33 am

“They don’t have the outstanding tradition that others may bring.”

How the hell does he figure that? Pitt could put their tradition up against anybody.

Comment by Mark 05.14.10 @ 11:09 pm

Beyond tradition there is not a program being considered outside of Texas that currently has better major athletic programs. I understand the money issue but is there any concern that the Big 10 will make a big watered down crappy league that eventually will not be a draw on TV and will cease making bundles of money? I think some attention should be paid to the caliber of the teams they are inviting.

Comment by OntarioLettsGoPitt 05.14.10 @ 11:29 pm

wbb – there really isn’t much interest in a way… other than traditional sports outlets (sports pages in the paper and sports themed radio) no mainstream news have shown much interest.

If you surf the web and look at other news venues in other schools areas these discussions are front page news.

Comment by Reed 05.15.10 @ 6:11 am

A while back one of our brother/sister “Bloggers: wrote:”Does Pitt even have a baseball team?” Indeed it does!!! One of the best in the east. (Although one would not know it from the PG) Pitt also has a great wrestling program and worthwhile other athletic endeavours. Search out, if you please the Pittsburgh Panthers website and take pride in your local gifted athletes. George from Columbus

Comment by rev. george mehaffey 05.15.10 @ 7:53 am

Let’s just make a “REAL” Big East……… and merge with the ACC. 20 football teams that could be split into two 10 team divisions and and 28 basketball teams into two 14 team divisions or four 7 teams divisions. What TV network could stop from drooling over that………………??

Comment by mtoolmn 05.15.10 @ 9:35 am

PITT fan, love the hell out of scenario number 1. Joel, if scenario No. 1 happened first (before any other expansion),then there would be no raid of the ACC, the ACC would do the raiding (again). Ontario, I agree with your point, there is no question that in a 16 team league, the gap between the “Haves” and “Have nots” will be greater than an 11 team league and definitely greater than in an 8 team league (are you listening Syracuse and RU?)

Comment by HbgFrank 05.15.10 @ 9:48 am

mtoolmn, that’s a good point. Seeing your post and hearing about the potential “TV only” merger between the Big 12 and PAC 10 had me thinking that the BIG 10 and Big east could merge into a 20 team conference, with a swap of BC with So Fla to the ACC. Then the two ten team divisions of the “Big 10” cold be the original Big Ten in one, and the existing Big East FB schools, less SoFla, plus BC, ND, and PSU. Frankly, I like your idea better because for BB reasons, I would rather play in the ACC.

Comment by HbgFrank 05.15.10 @ 9:54 am

mtoolmn,
I agree, except hold off on full merger – that way there are two BCS bids.
Reach an cable alliance with the ACC, which will enable us to keep our b-ball rivalries (which also gets something the Big10 won’t have – the New York market, plus it gets us into Milwaukee and Chicago). The BE’s bias towards being a b-ball conference before being a football conf actually helps us here.
With that alliance, agree to an even greater number of non-con games between the BE and ACC in both b-ball and football, to double dip on the tv money.

Plus, by not forcing ND out of the BE conference, we can continute the recent trend of ND playing BE teams in football, thus dipping into the ND football pie (when BE teams go to South Bend) as well as getting the occaisional big home game when ND visits a BE team.

Comment by Patrick 05.15.10 @ 12:19 pm

Reed, as I am writing this right now, I have been listening to Zeiss on ESPN1250 who has devoted his entire show to Pitt and the B10. The most poplular Pgh blogger is the P-G’s Bob Smizik who had addressed this issue several times .. and of course, this topic has been addressed continually on this (Pitt Blather) blog.

The only reason why there is not as much coverage here as there are in a few other places is that Pgh is a pro market … and Big Ben and the Penguins have dominated the sports news the past month … and of course, Ben even being the big story on a national level.

Comment by wbb 05.15.10 @ 12:36 pm

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