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April 29, 2010

The Hype: Romeus and Baldwin

Filed under: Football,Players — Chas @ 9:12 am

Dion Lewis may have been the most productive Pitt player last year, but he is a small back with a draft status that at times has been questioned as to when* and if he will be more than a second or third round pick.

DE Greg Romeus and WR Jonathan Baldwin, however, have already been projected in various insanely early mock drafts as possible 1st rounders. That’s nice

I have to be honest. I could care less about mock drafts a week after the actual draft. It has even less value than a way too soon preseason top-25 in football or basketball. At least the early preseason top-25s come somewhat close to matching the bias-inducing, essentially useless preseason top-25s.

Heck, mock drafts that happen right after college football ends are rarely close aside from some order for the top 3-5 picks. Remember the projections for LeSean McCoy?

Really, for Pitt fans, mock drafts in football (and especially basketball) have been far more rosy than reality — aside from Revis and Fitzgerald.

That’s not to say that both Romeus and Baldwin aren’t worthy of hype and the possibility of being 1st rounders come next April. They are.

Both keep working harder at improving their game.

When Greg Romeus watches film of himself from last season, he says he sees all kinds of mistakes. Poor technique, bad footwork, not finishing off plays — those things all jump out at him.

And remember, he is the reigning Big East co-defensive player of year.

Still, Romeus believes he has plenty of room for improvement that will make him a better player and a richer man soon. That’s why the defensive end decided to return to the Pittsburgh Panthers for his senior year instead of entering the NFL Draft this winter.

“Next year, I’ll be more prepared,” he said. “The more experience I have, the better chance I have [of being a high draft pick].”

At being better at their position.

But he vowed to become a more complete receiver as a sophomore and worked at getting better on all the routes.

The result was a 1,111-yard season with eight touchdowns. Only two receivers in the country last year topped 1,000 yards while averaging more than Baldwin’s 19.5 yards per catch. So what’s next for Baldwin?

“My goal this year is to get better at my yards after catch,” he said. “I want to run my routes crisper. And destroy defenders when I block them.”

Other teams will certainly game plan around him, but if they roll coverage to him, that opens up things for other receivers like Shanahan. That’s what happened in the Meineke Car Care Bowl, when Baldwin was held to just three catches for 31 yards, but Shanahan grabbed five passes for 83 yards.

“Pick your poison,” Baldwin said. “Do you want to get beat my Mike or do you want to get beat by me?”

Trying to cover Baldwin with just a cornerback is asking for trouble, especially in the Big East where most corners are going to surrender at least five or six inches to him. And he’s so big that it’s hard to jam him at the line.

“On film, it doesn’t look like I’m as fast as I am because my legs are so long,” he says. “If you try to do that stuff, I’ll beat the press and run right by you.”

In 2010, the Pitt SID will be working hard with plenty of individual players to promote for the various positional awards up through the tough call of promoting Lewis or Baldwin for Heisman.

You know what will help their candidacies, probably as much as their own hard work, effort and production? Winning the games.

* Yes, I know that it is now clear that he could come out after this year, but think about how long and confused most were before that was understood clearly.





Campaigning for Baldwin to win the Heisman is a waste unless he decides to return kicks or play defense this year. However, the Biletnikoff is well within reach.

Comment by Hollywood 04.29.10 @ 10:31 am

Have to agree with Holywood. A pure receiver won’t win the Heisman. “Baldwin for Biletnikoff” has a nice ring to it.

Lewis should get the Heisman hype. He’s already capture the national media attention with his Freshman performance and his style is pure excitement to watch. He’d be the easier candidate to elevate.

Comment by TampaT 04.29.10 @ 10:55 am

… Plus the Heisman voters seem to have a thing for Sophomores.

Comment by TampaT 04.29.10 @ 11:08 am

accept if your name was Fitzgerald…

Comment by Marco 04.29.10 @ 11:46 am

that’s “except”…didn’t have my morning coffee

Comment by Marco 04.29.10 @ 11:48 am

fitz was robbed that year.

Comment by snala the panther 04.29.10 @ 11:56 am

Ohio St, Florida, Michigan, Texas, Wisc, Fl St, Nebraska, USC, Oklahoma, USC, USC, Ohio St, Florida, Oklahoma, Alabama

these are the schools that win Heismans these days (last 15 years)

D McFadden (Arkansas), P White (WVU), Larry Fitz, to name only three, were more worthy

Comment by wbb 04.29.10 @ 12:10 pm

Baldwin would likely need 90+ receptions and 1700+ yards with 20+ tds to be considered. Fitz had 92 catches for 1672 and 22 tds and he STILL didn’t win. That is a lot to ask of JB, considering we are a run-first team with a QB with zero starts under his belt and question marks on the O-line.

Comment by PantherProto 04.29.10 @ 12:23 pm

Any other year JB would have a good shot at the Biletnikoff but Julio Jones at Bama and AJ Green at UGA are going to be tough to beat.

Comment by Pabs 04.29.10 @ 12:54 pm

I still like Baldwin to be a finalist for the Biletnikoff. Any thoughts on Romeus’ chances of bagging a national award ?

Comment by Hollywood 04.29.10 @ 1:21 pm

Usually it helps to get a fast start for these awards. Pitt will play twice early with some national exposure (Utah & Miami) and if these guys put up good numbers in these games, they will have a shot.

Comment by wbb 04.29.10 @ 4:38 pm

Ok, I must have missed something… How is it that Dion will be NFL Draft eligible after his true sophmore year??

Comment by Jase 04.30.10 @ 9:35 am

Didn’t he spend a year in prep school?

Comment by Carmen 04.30.10 @ 10:24 am

Lewis’s situation is a little different than most prep school attendees, but the end result should be the same. Lewis actually repeated one year in high school when he transferred (not sure if it was 10th grade or 11th grade). He therefore took 5 years to graduate. In most cases, an athlete attends 4 years of high school, but then attends an additional year at a prep school, oftentimes to get grades/classes up to an acceptable level for college admission.

The bottom line, however, is that the rule, as written, states that a player can petition for entry into the NFL draft 3 years after the class with which he entered into high school graduates. I have read commentary that the rule was intended to cover the more typical prep school case (i.e., graduate high school in 4 years, then attend an “extra” year of prep school), but not necessarily the situation where a player takes 5 years to graduate high school. That being said, as written, the rule makes no such distinction, and it now seems clear that Lewis can come out after next season if he so desires.

Comment by Pantherman13 04.30.10 @ 10:41 am

Olin Buchanan, who I think is the Sr. College Football writer for Rivals, has tabbed Romeus as his early favorite to be the first pick in the first round of the 2011 draft…Its all done with a wild guess mentality, but still a nice mention.

link to collegefootball.rivals.com

Comment by HbgFrank 04.30.10 @ 12:46 pm

Again, trying to put the Dion eligibility issue to rest, there was a feature on the spring scrimmage broadcast which confirmed that Dion can go to the NFL next year … and the Pitt staff has acknowledged it.

Off topic but here is a CNN story / listing of profits for NCAA basketballl teams. As you can see, Pitt does very well though not nearly as good as Louisvile and UNC .. but much better than Duke which reported a loss (creative accounting I’m sure. If not, they should definitely drop their program.)

link to money.cnn.com

Comment by wb 04.30.10 @ 4:59 pm

Since everyone is posting links:
link to deadspin.com

Comment by Todd Gack 04.30.10 @ 7:18 pm

Here’s the actual rule from the current NFL CBA that Pantherman13 referenced: “No player shall be permitted to apply for special eligibility for selection in the Draft, or otherwise be eligible for the Draft, until three NFL regular seasons have begun and ended following either his graduation from high school or graduation of the class with which he entered high school, whichever is earlier.”

I vaguely recall the argument when this was put in place. It wasn’t that players weren’t spending enough time in college, but that they were physically too young to handle the punishment of the NFL versus other sports like basketball. I think that’s why the last part regarding the player’s HS class graduating exists. It makes it more about the player’s age rather than how long he stays in college.

Until Lewis being able to leave after this year is vetted on a national broadcast of a Pitt game, I’m sure someone will question it each time it comes up. It’s confusing because it’s such an odd interpretation of the rule.

Comment by TampaT 05.01.10 @ 7:32 am

I bet my friend from ND $50 that Baldwin will get more Biletnikoff votes than Floyd. Did I make a good decision?

Comment by cignetti4heisman 05.01.10 @ 6:26 pm

TampaT – I read an interview with one of the drafters of that rule and it is as you state – the NFL wants to ensure that a young man has physically grown into the role of a professional player – and that extra year – regardless of if it is during his HS time or afterward – pretty much does that. Each player who has used it so far has been over 21 when they were started playing actual games for their respective teams….

… that is until we get kids wanting to come out who have skipped earlier grade school classes and are under 21 with this rule – which will happen sooner or later.

Comment by Reed 05.02.10 @ 5:55 am

What about Amobi Okoye? How did he enter the draft so young?

Comment by Salgado 05.02.10 @ 7:49 am

Okoye was an advanced student, choosing UL over Harvard, and began playing college ball at 16 and graduated at 20 (or maybe even before he turned 20)

Comment by wbb 05.02.10 @ 12:37 pm

link to wndu.com
more big ten speculation…

Comment by TJ 05.02.10 @ 4:40 pm

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Comment by Tony Cancilla 05.02.10 @ 7:24 pm

Time to start talking Pitt baseball. Are people paying attention to this team? Clearly the local media are not. 31-11! 13-4 in conference play. How cool would it be to see Pitt in the College World Series!

Comment by Pittman 05.02.10 @ 8:43 pm

Well – there you go – that age thing is already out the window.

Comment by Reed 05.03.10 @ 4:21 am

Reed, I assume you’re referring to the Okoye situation. However, not sure but I do believe that since Okoye had totally exhausted his NCAA eligibility having played 4 years at UL, he was OK’d for the NFL. Remember, even with the prep rule, Larry Fitz had to apply for the NFL draft .. and I assume Shady did also (unless something had changed in the years in between.)

Comment by wbb 05.03.10 @ 10:39 am

who won the Pitt baseball series this weekend?

Comment by Marco 05.03.10 @ 2:33 pm

They split two games. Final game was rained out.

Comment by Pittman 05.03.10 @ 6:17 pm

wbb – I did mean the Okoye situation. PITT had a 16 year old in Gaskins but he redshirted his first year.

I don’t think McCoy had to literally “apply” to the NFL, nor do players now if they meet the criteria that is clearly laid out by the NFL – which Lewis does. I believe it is just a matter of having the NFL verify the facts in each case. Perhaps that is an application process I suppose – but it’s not like the NFL can turn one kid down and accept another if both are in the same situation though.

Comment by Reed 05.04.10 @ 4:49 am

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