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October 5, 2009

Clearing Some Links

Filed under: Football — Chas @ 11:07 am

I have mixed feelings on this. I love that Stull has really played well this season. He’s had some rough patches, but compared to expectations he has been much better. That said, every column that praises him keeps repeating the “he was booed by the fans in the first game” bit. Even when they are talking about his improved confidence and footwork. That gets more than a little tiresome. Even more tiresome is repeating the lie that he was booed louder in the second half when he was inexplicably reinserted after Sunseri played a series. He wasn’t Smizik, and you were not there to even claim you witnessed it.

It was a solid win. It was great to see a strong finish and Pitt did what they should. That said, no one should claim it was a win against a good team. Louisville is bad. They have now lost 8 straight to 1-A opponents. Their coach is (or should be) a lame duck and gone after this season. On top of that, the Cards quit.

Pitt tight end Dorin Dickerson said the Cards “flat-out quit” toward the end of the game…

There is no greater insult to a team than for the opponent to say you gave up. Whether it was Pitt that made them quit, or their own problems it is a brutal indictment on the Kragthorpe time in Louisville. Sloppy, undisciplined and getting worse deeper into the game. Not good signs for the rest of the Louisville season.

As for Pitt, it was needed to reestablish the defense. It was also the first time in a few games that Pitt’s offense finished strong. Reeling off 28 unanswered points in the second half. There’s no doubt that trailing at the half helped make sure Pitt kept the foot on the gas in the second half. No letting up this time.

On the defensive side, the D-line had a much-needed big game.

“We had a team meeting on Monday,” said middle linebacker Adam Gunn. “We made a promise to the offense — we will never have a performance like we did against Buffalo or N.C. State again.”

It then went from words to actions as a defense that had been shredded for 500 yards in a win at Buffalo and more than 500 yards and 38 points in a loss at North Carolina State went out and had perhaps its best week of practice since early in preseason training camp.

The result was a defensive unit that showed up at Louisville’s Papa John’s Cardinal Stadium Friday night with a chip on its shoulder and resembled the dominant unit most people predicted would carry the Panthers this year.

Particularly dominant — at last — was the front four.

Every Pitt watcher knew the D-line had to be stronger. Or else the real problems in the D would get exposed.

“We’ve kind of dominated here and there, but this was a total performance by the whole D-line,” Romeus said. “We’re still not satisfied. Next week, we are going to try to come stronger.”

Strong play by the front line takes pressure off a Pitt secondary that was exposed against Buffalo and N.C. State. It will be critical in the future as the Panthers meet Notre Dame’s Jimmy Clausen, West Virginia’s Jarrett Brown and Cincinnati’s Tony Pike, who all rank in the top 6 in the nation in total offense or passing efficiency.

“If we can’t make plays up front,” Pitt coach Dave Wannstedt said, “we’re not going to play very good defense.”





I guess Kragthorpe can look forward to his next career, doing commercials for GEICO!

Hey wait a minute, maybe Smizik can join him.

Pitt opened up as an 8.5 favorite against UConn.

Comment by Dallas Panther 10.05.09 @ 11:37 am

we still gave up 300 yards of offense to a team that “quit” in the second half…our problems are far from being resolved…let’s hope this team (coaching staff) doesn’t have another mental breakdown when the big boys (ND,SF,and Cin) come to town.

Comment by Marco 10.05.09 @ 12:16 pm

Chaz, I don’t see how you can be so sure about when he was booed louder. I was there to and he was booed pretty good both times. I thought the second half was worse, but I wouldn’t bet on it. Why does everyone have trouble giving Stull credit when creidt is due. he makes a couple of near interception passes and he is crucified. The key word is “near”. Neither was intercepted. When they star keeping stats on “near” interceptions I’ll pay attention to it. Until then it is just anonther incomplete pass. The mcro anlysis of Stull is overboard, especially when we have had more glaring weaknesses.

Comment by TMGPanther 10.05.09 @ 12:44 pm

Reporters love to stir the pot, so of course with Stull playing well, they will not miss the chance to bring it up whenever they can…The moral of the story is don’t boo your home team QB early in his first game of the season!

Comment by HbgFrank 10.05.09 @ 12:50 pm

well you can spin that and say boo your qb in the first game… and look what he can do now !!

Comment by Snala the Panther 10.05.09 @ 1:02 pm

It didnt take local D-Bag Ron Cook long to stir the pot. First thing Saturday morning, first line out of his column:

“Who was that guy wearing the No. 11 Pitt jersey last night?

Was it really Bill Stull, who was booed at Heinz Field on the first series of the first game last month?

The same Bill Stull, who played so abysmally in Pitt’s 3-0 loss to Oregon State in the Sun Bowl last season?

Funny, I would have sworn it was Dan Marino leading Pitt past Louisville, 35-10”

Umm no Ron, it definitely wasnt Dan Marino. I give Stull credit, he has definitely outperformed his low expectations but lets not annoint him Danny Marino just yet. I am glad to see his confidence improving and he is hitting key passes. But its a long season, he still has a lot to prove.

Comment by Coach Ditka 10.05.09 @ 1:16 pm

TMGP,

If you still don’t understand the immediate reaction from a live blog — when he nearly threw picks while staring down his receiver that bounced off of the defenders hands and the reactions really seemed to upset you — then I can’t help you. It’s being a fan and reacting immediately. Not upon reflection.

As for the booing. I was at the game. The booing was loudest on the INT — the second set of boos. The booing when he was reinserted was half-hearted and the least because people were too confused to boo at once. The crowd had started to thin as the game was well in hand. Plus most people didn’t realize it right away when Stull was reinserted. There was a lot more, WTF before any other reaction.

I hate that Smizik, who was not at the game, keeps repeating something that is a flat lie. I’ve been in the press box for a game and the media in the press box at Heinz Fields gets little sense of the crowd because most of the time the press box is sealed off and so crowd noises are significantly muted. The big roars or boos are clear, but most other sounds that roll through Heinz Field are much less clear.

Comment by Chas 10.05.09 @ 1:20 pm

I know we’re talking football but an interesting article in the Trib on Chris Taft. Looks like he is back at Pitt pursuing a degree in accounting. Sounds like hes had some tough breaks and hes come back to school a bit more humbled. Hopefully he takes advantage of his opportunity now and makes the most of it.

link to pittsburghlive.com

Comment by Coach Ditka 10.05.09 @ 1:28 pm

Dunno if anyone saw this, but former Panther Andy Lee of the 49ers kicked a ball that was fumbled by the returner for St. Louis and recovered for a TD by former Panther Scott Mckillop.

Comment by Jimbo Covert's my Dad 10.05.09 @ 1:45 pm

I think this defense can get much better. They just need to do the things that they are capable of doing, and that means the front 4 need to provide pressure like they did in every game from here on out. That also means the secondary needs to continue to play better, which I think they can. A great defense really starts from getting disruption from your front, then solid containment from your backers, to hard work relentless, and all over the field secondary. To me there where signs of this in the second half against Louisville. Remember this was supposed to be a top 10 unit. Call me crazy but a part of me thinks it will happen as the season goes on. It reminds me of 05 Fiesta Bowl team that decided to start and play D in the games they needed to and look what happen. But remember one thing our D on paper should, and is much better than that 05 Fiesta Bowl team. I also think we have better skill position players as well.

Comment by Lou 10.05.09 @ 2:58 pm

I cannot stand Bob Smizk. He is an intensely negative person, and I do not understand the point in being that way. I am only a sophomore at Pitt (from Philly are) and I am already tired of the way Pitt Athletics are treated around here.

Comment by Danny 10.05.09 @ 3:55 pm

Stull was booed early in the opener and yes, again when reinserted after Tino was in a for a series … in fact, you may remember that Wanny said that there a miscommunication and Stull should not have returned. I do agree however that the booing issue should be shelved.

I do believe that there are still too much dislike and distrust of Stull even now … especially since right now there is no proof that inserting Sunseri would be an upgrade.

Clausen doesn’t worry as much as Brown or Pike, because he doesn’t have their mobility. Mobile QBs seems to be the bane of the defense.

Comment by wbb 10.05.09 @ 4:01 pm

Betcha Cal would like to get Cignetti back, scoring just 6 points in their last 2 games. Weren’t they ranked in the Top 10 preseason?

Comment by steve 10.05.09 @ 4:25 pm

I’m still concerned about pass coverage by some our DBs and LBs, notably Fields, Berry and Gruder.

Comment by steve 10.05.09 @ 4:39 pm

from Wanny’s presser today: Cam Saddler is out but Fields is expected to play.

About using Sunseri … “We would love to do that. That has not changed. Tino is continuing to make progress in practice. The only thing that we haven’t been able to do is get him in the game and get him some playing time. It’s a little bit like the Ray Graham scenario. It’s just easier to roll running backs than it is quarterbacks, for the obvious reasons. Tino is ready to go every week. We would have hoped to have more opportunities to get him in the game, but sometimes it’s just difficult.”

Comment by wbb 10.05.09 @ 4:55 pm

Jimbo

I saw that play, rewound it on DVR, called the missus in, and had her watch it with me. It was a beautiful thing. I was at the Niners’ preseason game with the Raiders, and Scott McKillop was all over the place in the second half. He had an INT, a bunch of big plays, and a fumble rec for a td (that was called back on a penalty). The best part? He stood next to Coach Singletary the entire time when he wasn’t on the field. The kid wants to play.

Facts are facts, folks: Billy Stull is an elite passer! I love it. Given the rest of the schedule, I see no reason why Stull can’t throw for 25 touchdowns. Notre Dame’s d is horrendous. South Florida’s is solid, and Cincy is stacked, but we should make waves against the rest of our slate. Also, Dion is 5th in the nation in rushing, well ahead of the obscenely overrated Jahvid “Not Really Even One of the” Best. Noteworthy: Stanford Senior Toby Gerhart leads the country in rushing with 650, and they are a few horrendous penalty calls at Wake Forest away from being 5-0…yet they’re unranked and no one talks about Gerhart for post-season hardware. Everyone is so obsessed with preseason hype its absurd. Oklahoma just HAS TO BE good, so we leave them ranked at 2-2. Washington was ranked at 2-1 when they upset USC. They came to Stanford and got waxed, so they fell out. But Stanford made no progress in themselves being ranked. Then Stanford manhandled UCLA in a game that was never as close as the final score, and the voters sit on their hands. Come on people.

On the flip side: Props to the voters for ranking South Florida. That will help us when we smoke them later on in the year.

Comment by maz. 10.05.09 @ 5:21 pm

I directed my booing at Wanny not Stull, Wanny is paid to make decisions and if the crowd dislikes his choices we have a right to boo. Wanny appears to be right and we the crowd wrong about the starting QB .

Comment by Marty 10.05.09 @ 6:15 pm

Marty, although I personally am uncomfortable in booing anyone, high school, college or pro, who is out there trying his best, there is no question as to your right to boo. You also have to right to go on TV and call your boss a moron, but you have to weight the consequence of your actions.

Also, when it comes to booing, it is not the intention but the perception. There were many others like you who aimed your booing towards the coach, but the mass perception was that it was aimed at the QB. Lastly, I see little difference in booing the QB or the coach for playing the QB.

which leads into …. all you Stull haters, get your vocal chords tuned up …. UConn should be the best defense Pitt has seen by far, I’m sure you’ll get your chanced for voicing your displeasure.

Comment by wbb 10.05.09 @ 7:25 pm

Anyone know where I can find the video of the special on Adam Gunn that was on College Gameday this past Saturday?

Comment by Justin 10.05.09 @ 8:07 pm

Chas, if you can’t tell the difference from an “immediate reaction on a live blog” and fans waiting for the first oportunity to bounce on a QB because they made up their mind about him before he threw his first pass, you should get out of the blog business. I wish fans on here would “reflect” for at least 30 seconds before throwintg the team under the bus. Many do and just as many do not. I don’t understand why you are joining the later group!

Comment by TMG Panther 10.05.09 @ 11:30 pm

Can we put the booing to rest? The media has made this so much bigger than it had to be. I booed at that game. I boo at every game. It doesnt mean I hate the kid or the team. It means I was displeased with what I saw. Its coming out like the crowd threw grenades towards Stull and then went over and punched his mother. I also cheered Stull that game and several times since. He has done a good job and I admit , better than I thought he would. I still have questions about him leading us up against a top 5 team and having to use his arm to beat them. But until that time comes and we keep winning, he has to get some credit. Oh, I also heard the crowd booing the Steelers last night in the 4th quarter. Does this mean we arent the strong team supporters that we should be. No. It means we were pissed and we want our team to do better. We’re not cheering for the other team! If someone on here does not agree with my post, then I give you permission to boo me. Ill take it in stride, but I still hope you and I can cheer for Pitt. Go Panthers!

Comment by Z-boy 10.06.09 @ 12:44 am

Since when has football become politically correct? Seriously? Who cares who does or doesn’t boo, get over it already, everyone!

Comment by dugdog 10.06.09 @ 3:31 am

Stull Big East player of week

link to post-gazette.com

Comment by dugdog 10.06.09 @ 3:34 am

This whole booing issue is not even about the team anymore, its about these has-been “sports journalists” in Pittsburgh trying to stay relevant by antagonizing the fans. It’s funny, by doing this, they are doing exactly what they are criticizing the fan base for – not supporting the team/ program.

Comment by Greg 10.06.09 @ 8:32 am

This is my 20th year as a football season ticket holder. I’ll boo who and when I feel like it. It shouldn’t be an issue. The fact that the sports writers keep bringing it up tells me they aren’t paying attention Pitt football or can’t find anything else to stir the pot.

I do not want to get too excited about the L’ville win. They are an inferior team who isn’t playing anywhere near 100% of their capabilities. We know what are issues are, let’s see if we can overcome them against a better team.

I am very dismayed at the comment a few posts ago that the Pitt Administration is looking for a 7-9 win season ever year. Let’s face it, 7-9 wins may cut it for a college town or a larger metropolitan area, but 7 wins isn’t filling Heinz field and not generating additional season ticket sales. The Big East is perceived as a 2nd rate conference and 7 wins gets us on ESPN2 on Friday nights. Until we get to 9+ wins consistently we will always take a back seat to the Pittsburgh pro teams, other nearby colleges & other conferences.

Does anyone remember when Pederson arrived at Pitt in 1996 how he shook things up? He cleaned house, made the decision (OK maybe it wasn’t all his decision) to tear down Pitt stadium and generally re-vamped the “business as usual” athletic dept. Now that he is back, has anyone heard a peep from him? Seems like Stevie found a place to hide out and retire.

Comment by Yeti 10.06.09 @ 8:51 am

Yeti, why would you be so upset by a post on this site, especially one who would imply that the Pitt admin would be happy with a losing record each year? There is no real evidence of that, aside that the recruiting budget appears to heve been slashed so it doesn’t include Florida. Otherwise, they hired some very good and well-qualifed coaches (Wise, Bennette and Cignetti) and the coaches they lost all went to bigger schools with bigger budgets in well-established conferences(UF, Auburn and Wisconsin.)

Conversely, there is every reason to believe that Pitt is in a budget crunch like everyone else. The bowl payouts, which is muuch worse as it is than any other BCS conference, is getting worse … and the season ticket prices are much lower than most other comparable schools due to the issues of playing a pro town in an unattractive and lowly-esposed conferences. (note that season ticket sales are way up this year.)

Like it or not, Pitt simply cannot compete financially with the big boys — they do not have the alumni base, nor the payouts from the bowls and TV contracts that the bigger schools have.

Comment by wbb 10.06.09 @ 10:54 am

What’s to shake up? We play FB and BB in new state of the art facilities…Our FB coach is 13-5 in the last 18 games…Our BB coach is a final 4 appearance away from being among the elite (in my humble opinion)…I think SP is actually busy at this time trying to improve the facilities for non-revenue generating sports such as track, baseball, and soccer.

Comment by HbgFrank 10.06.09 @ 12:16 pm

Am I the only one worried about not having Cam Saddler?

The guy gets it out to midfield almost every time he fields a kickoff, and it’s only a matter of time before he breaks one.

Comment by Jimbo Covert's my Dad 10.06.09 @ 1:07 pm

I agree with yeti to an extent but for somewhat different reasons. I don’t entirely buy the BE as a weak conference being a significant reason we should expect Pitt to do better–despite the perception that the BE is a weak conference. IMO, that is only a perception like the perception that overrates the Big Ten in the minds of many and is not reality.

When the college FB regular season was only 10 games long the minimum measure of success for fans and getting to a bowl game was going 7-3 or better. Now that there are 12 games–and at least 2 games are specifically added as guaranteed wins vs weak opponents, the MINIMUM standard for success becomes 9-3 (7-3 + 2 “cupcake” wins) in the regular season. Anything less than 9 regular season wins, IMO, means the season has been unsuccessful because today’s 8-4 = 6-4 in reality and today’s 7-5 = 5-5 in reality and that is definitely mediocrity.

Comment by pitt1972 10.07.09 @ 10:50 am

Sadler has been a huge benefit to us this year… It’s a big loss for us IMHO

Comment by Pauly P 10.07.09 @ 7:37 pm

[…] maligned Bill Stull had just about the best season anyone could have hoped for in 2009.  Following Boogate 2009, Stull quietly had one of the better seasons in the country.  His stats? A 65% completion rating […]


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