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February 12, 2009

Blair and the Bench

Filed under: Basketball,Players,Tactics — Chas @ 12:40 pm

In both losses, Pitt had limited availability from Blair. That created the meme that Pitt can’t win without him on the court. Incorrect. Pitt can’t beat the best teams in the conference without him. Just like they couldn’t without Fields or Young on the court. UConn would struggle without Thabeet, Adrien or especially Price not playing. Villanova without Cunningham or Reynolds. Marquette without their guards and Hayward. Louisville without Terrance Williams, Samardo Samuels or Edgar Sosa.

Note, it isn’t whether they are playing well or not. It is whether they are playing. If those players aren’t on the court for big minutes, then teams can key in on just a couple other players. Always watch for the creeping  jump that goes from not having your best players on the court to not having your best players play well.

We have been frustrated lately by Sam Young’s slumping play. The fact is, he needs to be out there. Having him out there, means that Young still needs to be accounted for by opposing teams. He helps open up the court for the rest of the team. Just like not having Blair out there, means teams can play further from the basket on defense and have more opportunities for rebounds. Even if the star players aren’t playing well, their presence matters.

Coach Dixon won’t let the team use the lack of Blair’s presense as an excuse.

“We’ve played without him before and we’ve won,” coach Jamie Dixon said.

That isn’t to say that Pitt wants to experiment playing without him.

That shows how much of an impact Blair can have for the Panthers when he’s in the game. And how much it hurts when he’s not.

“I think they can get through it, but having him is a big difference,” Bilas said. “Their efficiency is nowhere near the same when he’s out of the game. He’s the best offensive rebounder in the country, so you’re automatically going to get second shots. Plus, when he sets screens, they’re screened. He opens the floor for everybody else. You have to pay attention to him.

“I think their defensive lineup is a (heck) of a lot better with him in it.”

It’s obviously helpful that Pitt has gotten a lot of production from the bench — even if not a lot at Blair’s spot.

Gibbs is the top 3-point shooter in the conference, having made 26 of his 52 attempts (50 percent) from behind the 3-point arc. He is averaging 4.8 points overall.

Brown, who was supposed to be the top reserve, has been a steady, if unspectacular, contributor. He is averaging 5.4 points and 3.4 rebounds per game.

But the player who is emerging as the top sixth man in the league is Wanamaker, who has been playing the best basketball of his short career in recent weeks. Wanamaker, who is averaging 7.9 points per game in Big East play (6.0 overall), has made 19 of his past 30 shots from the field and 9 of his past 15 3-point attempts. He is second only to Gibbs in 3-point shooting (46.3 percent) on the team.

“My confidence is sky high right now,” Wanamaker said. “When I see the ball going in the way it is now, that just makes me want to get to the gym every day and work harder.”

The strong play of the back-up guards has allowed Coach Dixon to go smaller at times and change the tempo. Even if Dixon isn’t completely comfortable with the pace.





Tough to compare Blair’s importance this year with the relative necessity of Fields and/or Young. Pitt would have some slim chance of eking out wins against the best of the conference without Fields or Young, but they shouldn’t even lace up the shoes without Blair. This year they count on Blair for scoring as well as rebounding, and counting on Young and Biggs to patrol the lane when he’s out is a no-win proposition.

Sure, it would be tough to win without your experienced senior PG, but it’s possible. In fact, Pitt will face that challenge for an entire season next year.

By the same token, it would be difficult to win without your senior wingman scorer, but it’s possible that could happen because there are some young players ready to step in and pick up the slack for a night.

Blair’s importance is so outsized compared to the others because Pitt is a relatively small team and it’s only “size” consists of Blair’s bulk. You take away that bulk and you’re left with a 6’6″ swingman and the 6’5″ Biggs and a 6’10” sub who the coach is scared to play under the hoop. Tough to get a bucket or grab a rebound in the lane when you’re giving up tons of inches and lbs. Remember Michigan St, anybody?

Comment by hugh green 02.12.09 @ 1:38 pm

Biggs is more like 6’8″, not 6’5″…but your point is well taken…our inside game is SOO lacking without Blair.

Comment by Chris 02.12.09 @ 2:48 pm

I think the key is Young and Biggs really stepping up. A front line of Young, Biggs and Brown with help from Robinson is athletic enough to compete under the basket for quite a few minutes. Brown has to come out of his funk as well.

McGhee, at least for the present, is not the answer.

Dissecting the two losses and one win while Blair in serious foul trouble:

L’ville game = horrendous shooting, getting out of rhythm especially towards the end of the game. Sam pulling down only 4 rebounds.

Nova = another horrendous shooting performance but we were not outrebounded. Sam had 9 rebounds, but Biggs only 3 (like Blair, hampered by foul trouble, playing only 15 minutes).

WVU = Young and Biggs with 13 rebounds. And Wanamaker added 5 more. Shooting better but not lights out.

Comment by steve 02.12.09 @ 2:57 pm

The inability to hit an open 3 or defend Neitzel was equally important against MSU. Hugh, Blair is important. We get it.

Pitt has already won a game against NCAA comp. without Blair, see Belmont. Without Blair it all depends on the matchups. Some teams would be better matchups than others. Pitt would be a completely different team defensively with more zone and traps. Offensively they would probably try and run even more.

Comment by omar 02.12.09 @ 3:07 pm

Belmont, WVU and Rutgers do not have the insde strength of a UConn, UL or even Nova with Cunningham

Also note that Blair accounts for approx 28% of Pitt’s total rebounds, Young is second at less than 14% followed by Biggs at 11% …. whereas Thabeet and Adrien account for 23% each of Uconn’s total rebounds. Another factor when Blair is out, is that the opponent can much better defend the perimeter without an inside presence without an inside threat .. as was painfully evident in the late stages of the UL and Nova losses

Comment by w bill 02.12.09 @ 3:36 pm

I hope the L’ville game was an anomaly with the #1 on our backs. It likely showed by the quick shots being taken towards the end.

But I think we got pretty good looks during both losses, don’t you w bill? Were the misses because we were tired? Maybe so.

If Young and Biggs maintain status quo, hoping that Brown really steps up.

Comment by steve 02.12.09 @ 3:52 pm

Neitzel killed us in that Michigan State game. Him, and the other guard. Screw that rebounding margin crap. It was them who hit shots down the stretch that put us away. Ramon had his ass dragged across the gym. Love the guy, but that’s what happened…

Blair is a freakish, man-beast, once in a generation player. He skews all data- and rebounding data is the goofiest data there is. We ALL recognize he’s critical for our success. How many times does the same thing have to be restated? If you’re so concerned about his foul trouble, wear a diaper when you watch games. Let’s get over it guys and move on….

Now has anyone watched a Cincy game this year? I think they’re the only Big East team I’ve yet to check out. They still got that Robertson guy? I mean, Van Exel guy…I mean Huggins guy…I mean, what they got?

Comment by SilverPanther in NYC 02.12.09 @ 3:57 pm

Your overanalyzing the Nova loss, any team that loses their starters at the 4 and 5 for a majority of the game would be toast. Pitt was in the game…that says something about the rest of the team. Louisville is a freaking final four caliber team, of course if your best player sits it hurts, but they could’ve pulled both of them out. And both on the road. Yes he’s important but the rest of the team isn’t shmukcs.

little nervous about Cinci just because everytime Pitt plays them everything Vaughan shoots seems to find its way through the net, no matter how ridiculous a shot.

Comment by Willy Ralphard 02.12.09 @ 4:13 pm

What they got is Vaughan, who eats us up. But luckly he doesn’t have much help. Sweeping Gtown, sounds more impressive then it is.

But they are athletic and they did press gtown. And we all know how much we love getting pressed. But I rather get practice against teams like that for the tourney. And I hope we finally learn to take our time and break the stupid press.

Comment by Snala the Panther 02.12.09 @ 5:47 pm

I think we still beat Cinci by 10 but it won’t be easy. Gates is going to be real good but we should be able to contain him this year. Vaughn can hit lights out, seen him a few times this year and when he gets hot, a blindfold won’t stop him. If we don’t look past them then we are going to be fine. If all plays out correctly, Monday’s game versus Uconn could be the game of the year?

Comment by Panthoor 02.12.09 @ 5:59 pm

Good stuff. I think it all boils down to this. If Blair stays out of foul trouble, he plays well just based off offensive and defensive rebounds regardless of how he shoots. When he does that, Pitt is tough to beat. Can’t wait for Monday!

Comment by matt in nyc 02.12.09 @ 7:38 pm

Was just at the jamie dixon show at Lot 17 and is realizing how lucky we are to have such a humble down to earth coach. With Dixon at the helm, it’ll be years and years of great basketball in the Burgh!

Comment by YouKnowItPitt 02.12.09 @ 7:41 pm

BTW.Go ND!

Comment by matt in nyc 02.12.09 @ 7:45 pm

Just saw that Dyson’s knee injury will keep him out for a week.

Comment by steve 02.12.09 @ 7:45 pm

ND putting a hurtin on Louisville… good for us — would be great to get that double-bye in the BE Tourney.

Comment by John from DC 02.12.09 @ 8:35 pm

Dyson is done for the season I think. Huge blow for UCONN but they have enough firepower to compensate.

Comment by Panthoor 02.12.09 @ 9:07 pm

Anyone else notice that Luke Winn never actually says anything about Pitt in his power rankings? This week’s post on Pitt was split between Huggins talking about WVU home fans and Pat Knight — none of which is relevant to Pitt.

Oh, and he picked Louisville ahead of Pitt…they just got owned by 30+ against NIT-bound (maybe) Notre Dame.

link to sportsillustrated.cnn.com

Comment by Pitt Fan 02.12.09 @ 11:10 pm

Pitt Fan — you shouldn’t care what a teenager says.

Followimg are two exerpts from today’s Post-Gazette from Fittipaldo stressing the importance of the inside threat:

Many coaches have gone into games against Pitt with the idea of forcing the outside shooters make shots to win the game. They concentrate their efforts on stopping power forward Sam Young and center DeJuan Blair, the Panthers’ top two scorers.

If I’m scoring down low, Levance [Fields] and Ashton and Brad and Jermaine will get shots,” Blair said. “We do a good job of rotating and passing. But that’s what this team has always done — play inside-out.”

Opposing coaches are caught in a catch-22 when Pitt’s guards are making shots. As soon as they pay more attention to the shooters, it opens up the inside more for Blair and Young. If they do the opposite, the guards get open shots.

“If they start focusing on our 3s, then DeJuan will have big games,” Jermaine Dixon said. “Either way, teams will have problems if we knock down shots.”
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There’s te rub — outside shooting is not always a constant; an inside threat always is (as long as they’re playing)

Comment by w bill 02.13.09 @ 8:41 am

I was just responding to Chas’ post, which seemed to imply that Blair, Fields and Young were equally important. I don’t believe that, and it seems like most of you don’t either…..which is good and shows that this audience realizes how much Blair’s profile has grown on this team since last year. I still don’t think most of you realize how undersized Pitt is when Blair’s out (Biggs is nowhere near 6’8″ — stand next to him sometime), but hey, can’t win ’em all.

The Dyson thing is big. He’s a leader on that team and a lot scarier than Austrie and Walker. I’d be pretty happy with a split in the two Uconn contests.

Jermaine Dixon should be able to put the glove on Vaughn Saturday and they don’t have a second go-to guy.

And yes, matchups do matter, except when you’re playing Belmont.

Comment by hugh green 02.13.09 @ 8:57 am

“Opposing coaches are caught in a catch-22 when Pitt’s guards are making shots. As soon as they pay more attention to the shooters, it opens up the inside more for Blair and Young. If they do the opposite, the guards get open shots.”

w bill – I liken this to the play-action-pass in football. A good running game will open up your receivers. Pitt’s outside shooting is the running game.

Pitt needs to have some reasonable success, epsecially as they get into tournament time, with perimeter shooting. If they don’t, better teams will clog up the inside, causing Blair to step up his aggressiveness. If that happens, he’s more likely IMO, to get into foul trouble. It’s downhill from there.

Comment by Colt Convert 02.13.09 @ 9:05 am

I believe you’re missing the point. First of all, if you followed Pitt at all this decade, you know that they start each game with the inside-out defense approach, and adjust accordingly if the opposing team is hitting — remember ND. Yet, Harrangody was an offesnive threat in both halves — sure, he was more productive in the 2nd half, but you can’t lose him when he close to the basket.

Inside scoring especially from offesnive rebounds is ALWAYS a threat even when Blair may be having an off night (as long as he is in the game.) On the other hand, if Pitt is having a cold shooting night, the perimeter defenders can pinch in or double-down until Pitt starts hiitng the treys. With Blair out, there is no inside threat especially on the boards — Sam does not have the bulk to (lower) post up, and Biggs is anything but consistent lately.

Comment by w bill 02.13.09 @ 9:36 am

Hugh:

Touche regarding Belmont. However, remember that same team almost beat Duke in the 1st round of the NCAAs last year and came very close to beating Tennessee on the road a few games after Pitt beat them without Blair.

Comment by omar 02.13.09 @ 9:36 am

and again, they were able to stay close to Duke, because the Dookies had no big inside threat last year (or this year.) You may remember that they could not stop WVU’s Alexander in the 2nd round game. Also, while everone remmebers LeVances 3-point winner last year at MSG against the Dookies, but most forget that Blair had 20 rebounds — lokk it upi

Comment by w bill 02.13.09 @ 9:42 am

The article calls Sam Young a power forward, but he usually plays small forward until Blair or Biggs go to the bench.

On Biggs’ height- I was watching the WVU game replay this morning and when Biggs stood next to Brown, he was a clear inch or two taller. Brown’s listed at 6’6″. Fudging on listed heights in college hoops is obviously common, but I’m not sure how accurate it is too say Biggs in nowhere near 6’8″.?.?. But I haven’t stood next to him in my kitchen or anything.

Tyrell, Young, Blair, McGee, and Robinson may not have the collective height one might expect for front line players, but they are all full-grown, big bodied athletic guys that play big. No string beans in the bunch. This isn’t ideal, but it’s not some sort of glaring weakness. And the upside is having versatile mid-sized athletic players like Brown, Wannamaker, and Dixon available. Our issue is more to do with replacing Blair’s talent than his actual size.

Comment by SilverPanther in NYC 02.13.09 @ 9:47 am

is Matt Cavanaugh still on the University payroll??? A little stramge that everyones been silent for over a week on this…

Comment by Rex 02.13.09 @ 10:18 am

Jets officially announced on Monday afternoon that they hired Cav — there were a few small articles in Pgh papers confirming this, but not much of a fuss (I assume because everone knew it was a done deal.)

From what I hear, Pitt is being pretty secretive about the candidiates (and I haven’t seen anything this week from the 2 PGH area beat writers — Gorman & Zeise) so the next bit of news we hear may well be announcing the new OC hire.

Comment by w bill 02.13.09 @ 10:27 am

Everyone keeps referencing Gil’s slump. Can we please stop? His biggest contributions are his athleticism on the defensive end of the floor and his rebounding ability. He knows his role this season and is doing a fine job. He simply hasn’t been getting the minutes he got last year, and with good reason the way Wanamaker and Gibbs have been playing off the bench.

Comment by TJ 02.13.09 @ 10:30 am

Dante Taylor was named a McDonald’s All-American. Great to see. Lookin’ forward too seeing him next year.
link to hailtopitt.blogspot.com

Comment by TJ 02.13.09 @ 10:37 am

I agree to a certain extent. He played really well for much of late last year when he was starting at the 3, and believe he’ll do well next year when he probably will be starting and getting more PT.

Comment by w bill 02.13.09 @ 10:44 am

Gilbert Brown looks to be the next Keith Benjamin.

Comment by Joey D 02.13.09 @ 11:02 am

Blair also fouled out of the Duke game last year early in overtime. Look it up.

Comment by omar 02.13.09 @ 11:05 am

Gil Brown the next Benjamin? Wow, talk about a misdiagnosis.

Benjamin was an excellent athlete, but by no means a great basketball player. Brown is definitely the athlete and has the potential to be a great player. I do wish he could get more playing time, because he rarely gets into the flow of the game. But his jump shot is far better than Benjamin’s, his defense is also much better, and seems to have a much better feel of how to play as part of a team. He just needs the on-court time to put it all together.

I liked Keith Benjamin, but to equate the two is really an insult to G. Brown.

Comment by Carmen 02.13.09 @ 11:26 am

Gilbert Brown gets about 20 minutes of playing time a game. That’s plenty to do something beyond a defensive role. He may not play much more than that, even when he starts.

I guess he’s just playing within the prescribed system. But I’m sure we’d all like to see him snap a move or two on a guy and drive past him. He just never looks to penetrate- or at least never acts on it. I don’t know, can’t they draw up some backdoor alley-oop plays for the guy? They do sometimes run a play where they swing him in the corner to shoot…

I miss Keith Benjamin. He was a great spark plug guy who played with a chip on his shoulder about not starting. He might not have had Gil’s vertical, but he definitely had a fire in his eyes and hit some big shots for us. He was streaky for sure, but he could rip off some points in a hurry.

Comment by SilverPanther in NYC 02.13.09 @ 11:47 am

It’s nitpicking and we can finish up the height and size discussion, but comparing the relative heights doesn’t work because most are relatively wrong. My current fav is Woodall at 5’11″….. and that kid is tiny. Bet he’s 6-foot next year.

Biggs is 6’8″ the way Barkley was 6’6″. But wish he rebounded like that.

Just kidding on Belmont — they must be pretty decent.

Maybe I’m too concerned with size and rebounding in the current college game where there are so few big men, but can’t help thinking frontcourt depth will finally matter against UConn and in March.

Comment by hugh green 02.13.09 @ 11:59 am

I’m enjoying this thread. This blog has very knowledgeable posters on both sides of the postions taken.

Comment by BigGuy 02.13.09 @ 12:04 pm

I would buy Biggs being 6’8″, im 6’3 and he has a couple (at LEAST 4, probably 5) inches on me when I walk past him

Comment by Nick 02.13.09 @ 12:32 pm

I know Gil is playing 20min/game, but as a previous poster mentioned, he never really has the chance to get into the flow of the game. I think that’s part of the reason he doesn’t look as comfortable or aggressive on offense. I’d love to see him do more because I think he is capable, but I wouldn’t necessarily describe his performance this season as a disappointment.

Comment by TJ 02.13.09 @ 12:44 pm

Yeah, my wife thought Woodall was a ball boy. At least he doesn’t do the Ashton Gibbs ‘stache to try to look older….I’m not so concerned about the height thing. I used to love Mugsy Bogues at Wake. And Georgetown, my favorite team when I was younger, used to have Perry McDonald, who played center at 6’4″ (CBS measured him once on TV). If we’re talking relatively, all teams probably inflate their player heights anyway. So we may break even. But since the topic’s been introduced we can all size him up this weekend when he’s under the basket- unless the baskets are actually 9’9″ high at The Pete.

Comment by SilverPanther in NYC 02.13.09 @ 1:22 pm

Gil has shot himself in the foot with his early season injuries… i mean the way Jermaine is playing.. he deserves to start. And wannamaker is finally looking like the top 150 prospect he was supposed to be.

But Gil came on strong at the end of the year last year… hopefully he does again.

Comment by Snala the Panther 02.13.09 @ 3:37 pm

I remember Perry McDonald’s days at G-town. We always had to hear how he was a Golden Gloves boxer from Nawlins, I think. And that was back in the day when G-town put some guys on the court who might have been more comfortable in the ring than on the court.

Comment by hugh green 02.13.09 @ 4:24 pm

Coach Dixon was just on local Pgh Fox SportsBeat show, and didn’t say anything earth shattering … just the usual that Cincy is a real good team which can make the NCAA, and can’t be overlooked, plus the fact that Pitt plays UConn on national TV twice towards the end of the year which speaks well of newl rivalry.

However, the interesting thing is that he is being followed around by cameras for HBO Real Sports, thus, he should be a subject in a show segment sometime in the near future.

Comment by w bill 02.13.09 @ 7:02 pm

WVU up on Villanova by 16 with 4 minutes to go in first half.

Comment by Tiger Paul 02.13.09 @ 9:41 pm

Woodall is going to be the starting PG next year, and he will follow nicely in the footsteps of Knight, Krauser, and Fields. In fact, he will push the ball up the floor very fast. He is tough to trap. He is a true PG. He will not be looking to shoot first. Lastly, you saw him with your own eyes…he is not that tall…and he can easily dunk the ball with two hands!

Comment by HbgFrank 02.13.09 @ 11:26 pm

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