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September 6, 2008

Open Thread: Buffalo-Pitt

Filed under: Football, Open Thread — Chas @ 5:04 pm

Once more, I’m at the game so I just left everyone a place to comment. Hopefully there will be some other people at the game. I don’t know what to say. I really don’t know what to expect.

The good news, one way or another, I’m drinking afterwards.





153 comments

anyone want to share a radio link to the game?

Comment by Matt D 09.06.08 @ 6:02 pm

hey the mountainqueers are down 17-3 to pitt’s next head coach

Comment by Bob Berto 09.06.08 @ 6:04 pm


thank you. and notre dame is down a td to san diego state? ohio state was losing to ohio going into the 4th qtr. what is happening to college football? … just so Pitt WINS today.

Comment by Matt D 09.06.08 @ 6:08 pm

anyone have a live online feed?

Comment by pitpanther01 09.06.08 @ 6:10 pm

missed tackles…Buff 1st and 10 to the Pitt 34…. great job, Dave so far.

Comment by PPF 09.06.08 @ 6:13 pm

i need the espn360.com pitt link

Comment by pitpanther01 09.06.08 @ 6:16 pm

Bob B - Just projecting or does he have a connection to PItt?

Comment by C 09.06.08 @ 6:17 pm

just a projection..u never kno…

Comment by Bob Berto 09.06.08 @ 6:20 pm

pitt needs to give Greg Cross a chance…athleticism helps…

Comment by Bob Berto 09.06.08 @ 6:26 pm

Bob if Notre Dame loses to SDSU then Pitt’s next head coach will actually probably be Notre Dame’s next head coach.

Comment by now walt has his revenge 09.06.08 @ 6:29 pm

Start packing your bags Dave!!!!

Comment by Pittastic 09.06.08 @ 6:31 pm

unreal…how are we losing to Buffalo?

Comment by Bob Berto 09.06.08 @ 6:36 pm

there is no excuse

Comment by Matt D 09.06.08 @ 6:38 pm

Yikes! We can’t get our defense off the field!

Comment by Dave in Orlando 09.06.08 @ 6:38 pm

I cannot believe my eyes…Buffalo…again..Buffalo totally dominating the line of scrimmage..Pitt in total confusion and chaos in the D backfield missed tackles and ugliness everywhere.

Total and utter domination by Buffalo…Pitt has run only 6 plays in the first quarter, funbled, kicked off out of bounds….you have to see this to believe it@!

Comment by dan 72 09.06.08 @ 6:39 pm

Where is shadyforpresident so he can defend Dave and Cav.

Comment by Pittastic 09.06.08 @ 6:39 pm

Well, they’re off the field now. After UB scored…

Comment by Dave in Orlando 09.06.08 @ 6:39 pm

Which is worse - embarrassed or ashamed? I’m both!

Comment by C 09.06.08 @ 6:40 pm

syracuse lost, wvu lost, pitt losing….big east football sucks…..

Comment by drgags 09.06.08 @ 6:41 pm

I’m on ESPN360 so it’s tough to tell. Did Buffalo just drive the ball down using normal power running and standard passes? No spread offense or gimmick plays? So much for the defense.

Comment by C 09.06.08 @ 6:43 pm

lucky call…stull stinks

Comment by Bob Berto 09.06.08 @ 6:44 pm

Watching on ESPN360…and thus far, not a pretty first quarter..we (hate to say this) seem a bit disorganized)…but at least there’s 3 quarters left…and thus far, it is only 6-0….plenty of time to strap it on and get it done!

Hail to PITT!
-al-

Comment by Oregon_Panther 09.06.08 @ 6:44 pm

at least wvu is losing pretty bad now

Comment by Patrick 09.06.08 @ 6:44 pm

Say hey! We scored!

Comment by Dave in Orlando 09.06.08 @ 6:53 pm

Finally!!!!

Comment by Pittastic 09.06.08 @ 6:53 pm

Nice drive helped by a penalty. Good run by Shady.

Comment by pittdoc in Wilkes-Barre 09.06.08 @ 6:56 pm

Wow! LSH with a tackle on special teams…

Comment by Dave in Orlando 09.06.08 @ 6:58 pm

ahhh im not liking this defense…bennet better wake up b/c he is makin rhoads look good….

Comment by Bob Berto 09.06.08 @ 7:00 pm

Rhoads’ Auburn defense actually does look good…

//Ducks for cover

Comment by Dave in Orlando 09.06.08 @ 7:01 pm

aight that is better

Comment by Bob Berto 09.06.08 @ 7:03 pm

Could use Cam Saddler on punt returns…

Comment by Dave in Orlando 09.06.08 @ 7:04 pm

Red zone. Take a shot with Baldwin.

Comment by Dave in Orlando 09.06.08 @ 7:11 pm

Is Shady hurt? I’m following the online play by play and Stephens-Howling got all the touches on that last drive.

Comment by matt 09.06.08 @ 7:20 pm

Agreed on punt returns…anyone but Berry

Comment by dan 72 09.06.08 @ 7:20 pm

they usually alternate drives, i think

Comment by Patrick 09.06.08 @ 7:20 pm

Let’s go D. Three and out!

Comment by Dave in Orlando 09.06.08 @ 7:21 pm

Fields is playing — and evidently playing well (listening on-line).

Comment by Dave in Orlando 09.06.08 @ 7:22 pm

So much for three and out…

Comment by Dave in Orlando 09.06.08 @ 7:24 pm

Game is on channel 788 on Direct TV if you have game plan package

Comment by pittdoc in Wilkes-Barre 09.06.08 @ 7:25 pm

Pitt in a prevent defense has given up 7 straight passes…I cannot watch this debacle anymore.

Taking my wife to dinner and drinking heavily..

DW may be the worst head coach in the history of football….doesn;t matter if they win or not…
a horribly coached team performing way under their level of talent….

BB starts soon…

Comment by dan 72 09.06.08 @ 7:26 pm

Sometimes I wish I had satellite TV — but I’ve had bad experiences with it here in Central Florida during storms.

Comment by Dave in Orlando 09.06.08 @ 7:27 pm

WVU lost! And the BE doesn’t want ECU? WTF!?!?!?

Comment by Dugdog 09.06.08 @ 7:28 pm

Blocked extra point was big.

Comment by Dave in Orlando 09.06.08 @ 7:31 pm

dan_72,

It looks like our react, not attack, style of D is once again being employed….at least we held them to a FG.

Hail to PITT!
-al-

Comment by Oregon_Panther 09.06.08 @ 7:33 pm

Any chance they don’t take a knee?

Comment by C 09.06.08 @ 7:35 pm

What the hell just happened? According to the play by play, Shady broke off a 54 yard run, then lost 14 yards on the next play…

I’m watching this from my dorm in State College so I’m trying to be as discrete as possible…

Comment by matt 09.06.08 @ 7:36 pm

Wow - 3 plays before the half? Guess they aren’t being conservative.

Comment by C 09.06.08 @ 7:38 pm

Absolutely amazing! one point halftime lead over buffalo. Horrible coaching….

Comment by ag 09.06.08 @ 7:40 pm

This truly is a fierce defense…

Can’t wait for the “halftime adjustments” from the Pitt coaching staff.

Comment by Joey D 09.06.08 @ 7:40 pm

Why is it a game and a half into the season and I don’t see Baldwin’s name in the box score yet? With a weapon like that, what are we waiting for? Oh yeah, Cavanaugh and Dave…

Comment by Mitch 09.06.08 @ 7:45 pm

if last week is an example..PITT adjustments are tackle better, block harder, run faster….meanwhile, Buffalo is saying what wrinkles should we put in for offense and defense (Buffalo showed some blitzing, expect to see more if we don’t adjust).

Still a fan, but this is not pretty thus far today.

Hail to PITT!
-al-

Comment by Oregon_Panther 09.06.08 @ 7:47 pm

I miss Stuart.

Anyway, we look horrible, as usual. I guess we can’t really open up the offense without having the ball. Where the hell is the pressure from our D-line?

Comment by maz. 09.06.08 @ 7:47 pm

USF/UCF in a close game right now. Watching the game on ESPN2. I’m sure the execs in Bristol are cursing the flimsy construction of UCF’s BrightHouse stadium. It’s like watching an old 8mm film when the stands start bouncing.

Comment by Dave in Orlando 09.06.08 @ 8:02 pm

Red zone = Baldwin. Get him involved in the game.

Comment by Dave in Orlando 09.06.08 @ 8:02 pm

Weeee! Three TDs for Shady through 1½ games.

Comment by Dave in Orlando 09.06.08 @ 8:06 pm

What the hell happened to the video? ESPN360 moved it to “blackout” for me.

Comment by maz. 09.06.08 @ 8:07 pm

try to reload, ive still got it on mine

Comment by Patrick 09.06.08 @ 8:08 pm

Is ESPN 360 regional? I’m still watching in VA.

Comment by C 09.06.08 @ 8:09 pm

I really thought our D would be good this year.

Comment by Jon C 09.06.08 @ 8:13 pm

If you need an update….Buffalo on our 20…..just waiting for them to score

Comment by Jon C 09.06.08 @ 8:14 pm

Touchdown Buffalo. 30 yards. wide open. Easy.

Comment by Jon C 09.06.08 @ 8:15 pm

That didn’t sound good…

Comment by Dave in Orlando 09.06.08 @ 8:15 pm

Sounds like Fields isn’t playing so well after all.
Why didn’t UB go for two?

Comment by Dave in Orlando 09.06.08 @ 8:16 pm

anybody know what the attendance is like, I will not go back until Wanny is gone

Comment by steve 09.06.08 @ 8:17 pm

im not likin this coordinator…

Comment by Bob Berto 09.06.08 @ 8:18 pm

Because they don’t need to. They know we won’t score on every one of our drives, but they will. They marched right down the field.

Comment by Jon C 09.06.08 @ 8:18 pm

Is this “defensive coordinator” an actual person?

Halfway through the 3rd quarter, Pitt has given up over 300 yards to Buffalo. SUNY Buffalo.

Glad I didn’t waste my time watching this nonsense in person.

Comment by Joey D 09.06.08 @ 8:20 pm

why dont we use baldwin? where is greg cross? why wont we blitz?

Comment by Bob Berto 09.06.08 @ 8:20 pm

and we take a sack. Here comes the punt. We can’t stop Buffalo. Game over. See ya.

Comment by Jon C 09.06.08 @ 8:22 pm

Ooohhh. Poor protection by Thomas.

Comment by Dave in Orlando 09.06.08 @ 8:22 pm

hey you guys watching on 360 or DirecTV, what do the stands look like? less than 20000?

Comment by steve 09.06.08 @ 8:24 pm

Waaaaay more people there than I would have ever thought after last week. Doesn’t look like all that much less than last week.

Comment by Jon C 09.06.08 @ 8:26 pm

id say it was pretty close to last week, maybe 35+

Comment by Patrick 09.06.08 @ 8:27 pm

Hey! How ’bout that. A big sack on third down. Way to go D-line!

Comment by Dave in Orlando 09.06.08 @ 8:31 pm

This looks like a Pitt D from 05 or 06. This is beyond pathetic.

Comment by Jon in Cbus 09.06.08 @ 8:32 pm

Yeah D!

Comment by Dugdog 09.06.08 @ 8:32 pm

lets score here, id like that

Comment by Patrick 09.06.08 @ 8:35 pm

I can’t believe I am sitting here listening to Bill Hillgrove call a close game against BUFFALO? I didn’t even know they had a college let alone a football team!

Comment by steve 09.06.08 @ 8:37 pm

Why won’t Wanny put this friggin talent on the field and just let them play!!!

Comment by Dugdog 09.06.08 @ 8:37 pm

Let’s try a pass down the field.

Comment by Dave in Orlando 09.06.08 @ 8:38 pm

Never!

Comment by Jeff 09.06.08 @ 8:40 pm

Big drive for McCoy. Coming alive.

Comment by Dave in Orlando 09.06.08 @ 8:42 pm

Patrick, good call!

Comment by Dugdog 09.06.08 @ 8:43 pm

Did McCoy just start waiting and letting the blocks develop or what? Nice!

Comment by C 09.06.08 @ 8:45 pm

Need a big stop on fourth down.

Comment by Dave in Orlando 09.06.08 @ 8:50 pm

went to the game and left (drunk friend fell over), the stands actually looked like 35 or 40 thousand

Comment by Jen 09.06.08 @ 8:52 pm

Does Fox 970 really have a “Thong of the Day?”
Strange…

Comment by Dave in Orlando 09.06.08 @ 8:54 pm

lets put this game away here, TD or FG will do

Comment by Patrick 09.06.08 @ 8:56 pm

Let’s not get too conservative here…

Comment by Dave in Orlando 09.06.08 @ 8:56 pm

No Dorin Dickerson yet. Well, here he is.

Comment by pittdoc in Wilkes-Barre 09.06.08 @ 8:58 pm

First down Shady!

Comment by pittdoc in Wilkes-Barre 09.06.08 @ 8:59 pm

a little d. dickerson action, i like it

Comment by Patrick 09.06.08 @ 9:01 pm

Yikes. C’mon Connor. Need this FG.

Comment by Dave in Orlando 09.06.08 @ 9:01 pm

We should be running Shady to the left on every play instead of stopping the clock with incompletions.

Comment by pittdoc in Wilkes-Barre 09.06.08 @ 9:01 pm

Awesome. Gotta love kickers!

Comment by Dave in Orlando 09.06.08 @ 9:01 pm

Who’s in the booth with Hargrove? Fazio?

Comment by Dave in Orlando 09.06.08 @ 9:05 pm

up to the d from here, two score game, lets not get sloppy

Comment by Patrick 09.06.08 @ 9:06 pm

Good job D!

Comment by Dave in Orlando 09.06.08 @ 9:08 pm

Foge Fazio and Bill Fralic, not a bad team, they openly root for the Panthers which is not bad. Hillgrove is still the best.

Comment by steve 09.06.08 @ 9:08 pm

sack and an INT, lets go!!!

Comment by Patrick 09.06.08 @ 9:10 pm

Anyone with thoughts on the offense in this game? Seems like execution was better. THe third down grab was the key play.

Comment by pittdoc in Wilkes-Barre 09.06.08 @ 9:10 pm

Big win, particularly with other Big East teams losing — ahem — WVU…
Not pretty, but it counts and I’m happy. On to being a UCF fan ;-)

Comment by Dave in Orlando 09.06.08 @ 9:11 pm

One meaningless turnover. Wannstedt will be trotting that out quite a bit over the next two weeks ;-)

Comment by Dave in Orlando 09.06.08 @ 9:13 pm

Stull looked better in the second half, so did the o-line, opening up holes for Shady

Comment by Patrick 09.06.08 @ 9:13 pm

My wife is a Florida graduate, so now I get to watch them beat Miami. Close game so far.

Comment by pittdoc in Wilkes-Barre 09.06.08 @ 9:14 pm

Doug Graber is an excellent analyst.

Comment by steve 09.06.08 @ 9:15 pm

Why was Dickerson not in until the 4th? He showed he is capable of something…

The D is not going to be able to stand up to WVU or even Cinci if they played like today. They can’t rely on Thatcher to clean up the mess in the back. Pat White was running all over ECU when he was able to hold onto the ball and Cinci certainly showed their speed against OK.

Comment by Pittgirl05 09.06.08 @ 9:19 pm

Pitt sucks, Wanny sucks, they are going to be lucky to win 3 more games, Wanny has to go. Buffalo is a minor mid major, they hung with us!!

Comment by Wanny sucks 09.06.08 @ 9:19 pm

WOOOO!

We beat Buffalo!

Comment by Joey D 09.06.08 @ 9:20 pm

face it, PITT STINKS. No way this game should have been this close at home. Wake me up when the season is over. basketball anyone?

Comment by txpanther 09.06.08 @ 9:23 pm

Yeah, this is going to be a long season, I think.

Comment by Jeff 09.06.08 @ 9:25 pm

End of game summary

Bad win but we will take it.

Defense -

D line struggled today.
Pitt continues to have a problem defending the spread offense and short out routes. WVU will kills us on this. Very little to know blitz packages all game until the end. Need to blitz more and play more man coverage.

MckIllops looked good but he sat at the linebacker position and waited for the runner to get to him. Perhaps this way by design but we need more penetration from D line and linebackers.

Offense

same predictable offense. Very little creativity until the end of game with Dickerson. Nice change. Would try to get him in the flow a little more. He is a play maker and needs to get his hands on the ball. O line is terrible. Just plain terrible.

Where was Baldwin again. Get him in the game.

Very poor pass protection by the backs. Didnt pick up the blitz well. It is obvious that teams are going to blitz. We need to go 4 wides with TE blocking and release to get quick pass. Not enough quick out passes to deter the blitz.

Overall a win so I am happy. Tough two weeks preparation ahead. Iowa beat someone by 40 plus again. They could put an imbarrassing whooping on us if we arent careful.

Wanny and Matt C still to conservative. Lack creativity with offense and defensive blitz pattern.

Comment by A win is a win, I guess? 09.06.08 @ 9:26 pm

Clearly, our emphasis has been on recruiting for skill positions, not on lineman. How many athletes can you play at one time without sacrificing something?

It was good to see some fight and effort tonight. They’re not going to be able to do it all on talent alone.

Comment by steve 09.06.08 @ 9:26 pm

Pitt sucks. I am ashamed to admit my degree. Wanny is a piece of s===. And Cav is no better as an assistant coach. Please get these 70s hangers-on out of town as fast as possible..

Comment by PittinFt.Lauderdale 09.06.08 @ 9:27 pm

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PittinFt.Lauderdale, First, Buffalo has a good team and should do well this year. As far as your being ashamed to “admit your degree”, you graduated from a quality school whose players usully comport themselves well off the field. Give me a quality school first and players that act like gentlemen. Wins then become a bonus.

Hail to Pitt

Comment by BigGuy 09.06.08 @ 9:41 pm

Not impressed at all…this team is nowhere near being ‘elite’. Even if we DO win a lot of games this year it might not mean squat b/c so far it looks like the big east stinks. I mean c’mon ‘Cuse got thumped by the freakin Zips! I hate to say it but get ready to hear the ol’ “Does the Big East deserve to be a BCS conference?” crap again if this continues.

Comment by now walt has his revenge 09.06.08 @ 9:42 pm

It is still early and there is a lot of talent out there. Pitt tends to play to the level of their competition…always have. A win is a win. Ohio St barely escapred Ohio U today. Things can tunr around, I am hoping that Stull continues to get better as he gets game experience. Did anyone think Pat Bostick would lead us to a win over #2 WVU on the road at the beginning of the year? I do think we should have beat this team more convincingly but we cant write them off yet. They went out and did won and under some pressure to win.

Comment by Rex 09.06.08 @ 9:57 pm

a win is a win is a win…but we’d better get our shite together or iowa is gonna open up a big can of whup ass at heinz field.

Comment by Scott 09.06.08 @ 10:06 pm

Ok…not a great game, but they did enough in the second half to win….let’s just keep improving and win!

Hail to PITT!
-al-

Comment by Oregon_Panther 09.06.08 @ 10:06 pm

I wonder what the wrap is on ECU for membership in the BE. Positives: Greenvele, NC is very enthusiastic torward their football team. Their stadium is larger than(I believe) four of the BE stadiums, and they fill it most of the time. The last I checked, their players graduate.
Negatives: It is a small TV market. They really couldn’t bring their BB team into the league. (Not competive; no room in the league.) However, I believe they would be a plus.

Comment by BigGuy 09.06.08 @ 10:13 pm

After what happened last week, I’m not gonna bitch about a win. I understand that it wasn’t impressive or anything, but fuck it, it’ll keep my dumb ass happy for the next couple weeks.

I was impressed with the turnout. It looked pretty good on TV, just the upper deck seats were barren, but after the debacle last week I was happy with it.

And I reiterate what I said earlier this week, Bill Stull isn’t that bad. He’s not going to remind anyone of Dan Marino or anything, but I don’t think he deserves too much crap from us.

Anyways, my expectations were lowered this week and therefor I wasn’t let down by an unimpressive win against a mid-major opponent.

Comment by Jimbo Covert's my Dad 09.06.08 @ 10:34 pm

Just got back-

a couple things I need to mention before I forget them.

(1) Makes you wonder about our judgment of Rhodes, doesn’t it?

(2) I don’t know if anyone else saw it, but it looked like Tommy Duhart was going to get into a fist fight with someone (anyone) on the Pitt sidelines after Buffalo scored that ridiculous no-one-within-20-yards pass over the middle from about 40 yards out. I don’t know if it was directed at coach Gattuso, or it was just a heated discussion between the two of them, but it was interesting.

(3) Only time Baldwin saw the field it was a fly pattern down the sideline that Stull overthrew by 10 yards. Even though we all (and Buffalo) knew it was coming, Baldwin still had the guy beat- coulda been a TD.

(4) The end around to Dickerson near the end of the game was a great call- there were a lot of bad play calls in that game, but it’s nice to see something at least a little off the beaten path. (it went for 9 yards on a first and 10)

(5) Luke Nix got in for at least one series that I noticed, and it looked like he did his job damn well for 3 plays before being replaced by Thomas.

(6) Nice to have a win, regardless of how ugly.

Comment by Dan35 09.06.08 @ 11:30 pm

Color me unimpressed. All that happened today was that Buffalo lost steam in the 4th quarter. Iowa will be too talented and too conditioned to let that happen to them in two weeks.

One more thing: less Oderick Turner, more Jonathan Baldwin. And where the hell were Elijah Fields and Lucas Nix?

Comment by Joshua 09.06.08 @ 11:31 pm

im just happy with a win, hopefully we get better after the bye week, another note, looks like all the fans havent given up yet, todays attendance was 42K+

Comment by Patrick 09.06.08 @ 11:40 pm

It seemed like Fields played a lot in the second half.

Comment by Dan35 09.06.08 @ 11:59 pm

You guys that believed Bostic’s mechanics would improve after a year of Cav’s instruction evidently haven’t watched him during warmups. Same old Bostic!!! Dixon’s throwing mechanics on the big screen after Pitt scored looked better than Boctic’s will ever look when he’s playing for Slippery Rock. One other note, Pitt’s defensive ends may have been unstoppable in camp against our offensive line, but BG and Buffalo must have all pro O-lines because they don’t seem to be having any problem keeping our defensive ends out of the backfield. I’m beginning to believe that our so called great talent pool is very much overrated. Yes, the coaching stinks, but I haven’t seen a big hit in two games from a Pitt player.

Comment by ltl 09.07.08 @ 1:20 am

Then the inability to evaluate talent falls squarely on the coaches. Remember that from this guy’s drafts (he personally controlled the Dolphins’ drafts from 2000 to 2003), NOT ONE player remains with the Dolphins. Most have either washed out or taken “53rd-man” roster spots with other teams.

Comment by Joshua 09.07.08 @ 1:36 am

Correction: Yeremiah Bell is still a Dolphin. Big whoop, that’s only one.

Comment by Joshua 09.07.08 @ 1:39 am

A few observations…

1. Lucas Nix did play today. He came in for at least three plays. He seemed to do fine in that very small sample. Thomas was okay at best.

2. Fields played a lot in the second half. This includes time in the base defense, along with time in a nickel package with Thatcher and DeCicco. He played very well for the most part; however, the one touchdown looked to be a mental breakdown on his behalf. It was very nice to see him on a slot receiver rather than Austin Ransom.

3. Stull looked a lot better today. Still missed a few passes; but was much more composed than last week.

4. We had very little success on the ground again today. McCoy did have success on a few counters late in the game. Other than that, he has to break a tackle just to get back to the line of scrimmage.

5. Nate Byham reminds me of Heath Miller more and more. The guy is just a great talent.

I am too tired to continue…

Comment by Tony 09.07.08 @ 2:27 am

For those who disliked Rhoades, Auburn is playing a wide-open confusing defense…both he and Bennett are told how to play by DW. Did you see what Minnesota did to BG? Pitt has a lot of talent - but DW and MC won’t utilize them. A long year - and darn ugly uniforms!

Comment by Markp 09.07.08 @ 7:44 am

where is this attack defense promised by new DC Bennett? they again were passive and back on their heels unlike post-Navy when Rhodes finally changed philosophy after 4 1/2 embarrsing seasons

Comment by wild Bill 09.07.08 @ 7:56 am

Unimpressed by the victory. Wanny’s a shithead!

Comment by Pittastic 09.07.08 @ 8:08 am

Minnesota Wins Big Over Bowling Green, 42-17

I guess Minnesota didn’t have problems with BG’s different looks! This just makes that L look worse.

Comment by Pittastic 09.07.08 @ 8:15 am

Well, for all the desperation that fans have, I can really only see 2 problematic areas for Pitt.

1. Offense
2. Defense

Aside from these minor things, everything seems to be shaping up nicely.

Comment by Joey D 09.07.08 @ 9:36 am

Since one of the worst teams in the Big Ten beat up on Bowling Green, can we safely conclude that we are way worse than last night’s game indicates? If you thought Wannstedt sucked after last week, should you still feel that way now, or wait until two weeks and a mid-level Big Ten team comes to town?

Comment by TonyinHouston 09.07.08 @ 9:54 am

You can’t say Wanny misevaluated the talent he was bringing in. Wanny didn’t rank those recruiting classes so highly every year, all the recruiting services did.

Granted, those services are wrong about certain guys from time to time, but no 3 whole entire classes worth of guys.

Face it, the talent’s there, Wanny can’t coach.

Comment by Jimbo Covert's my Dad 09.07.08 @ 10:04 am

Oh yeah, another big difference between this week and last that has NOTHING to do with coaching: We didn’t drop a million passes this week.

Comment by Jimbo Covert's my Dad 09.07.08 @ 10:05 am

Just watched reply of the game and Bennet and Wanny seemed to have harsh words on at least two occasions….once late first quarter, once second quarter…I think Wanny has his hands all over this read and react defense and Bennet wants to blitz and pressure…it has to be very frustrating for the D to just sit back and let an opponent pick you apart when you have superior talent…

Comment by dan 72 09.07.08 @ 10:24 am

just read that Bowling Green committed 5 turnovers last night

Comment by wild Bill 09.07.08 @ 10:47 am

My impressions -

the crowd was one of the best I’ve seen in a long time. Maybe 45,000, but very vocal and by far the best student section turnout and participation in at least a decade. Way to go students! And in the 3rd to 4th quarter break, a singalong to Sweet Caroline—”Sweet Caroline (Let’s Go Pitt)” — that was really cool.

Baldwin got 2-3 plays a quarter, I remember him throwing a real nice downfield block once, only thrown to once I think. Likewise, Dickerson got in a bunch but didn’t see the ball till the end. And I felt bad for Conredge, all he did was block all night - he got one play, and Stull led him too long with a pass. No carries. But a much, much better game from Cavanaugh.

Stull made good decisions every pass and actually hit the receiver in stride on a couple. A number were inaccurate, though.

Thomas was beat all night. Why even run to the right? Nix played 3 plays when Thomas came off the field.

The D-line was outplayed by their O-line. Too much base defense, also.

Thatcher bit on a double pump fake that left the tight end wide open over the middle.

Best game overall by the wide receivers in a long time.

An imrovement,at least. Let’s keep getting better and maybe the week off will help Murray heal and Nix and Baldwin learn some more plays.

Comment by Kevin 09.07.08 @ 10:50 am

Pitt graduate and fan from Buffalo. I think that as the season wears on, this win will look better and better and the Bowling Green loss will not as bad as it does today. Buffalo is a good and experienced team with an NFL caliber SENIOR quaterback. Both Buffalo and Bowling Green will win 8 games this year. Here’s hoping Pitt wins eight as well.

Comment by Chris 09.07.08 @ 10:57 am

after 15 games, the Big East has beaten 3 Division 1-A opponents: Temple, Buffalo, UCF

Comment by dithridge 09.07.08 @ 10:59 am

A couple of things–

1. Be careful about jumping to conclusions based solely on scores. If you use that method you can probably determine that the worst team in the country would be able to beat the best team–we have all played that dumb game. The reality is that Pitt won the statistical battle vs BG and lost by 10 (instead of probably winning by 10) primarily due to a -3 turnover margin. Give Pitt a “do-over” and I am pretty certain Pitt beats BG by at least 10. This week it is “wow! look how badly Minnesota hammered BG” with the conclusion that it means that BG is a really bad team and that makes Pitt even worse. That conclusion is not supportable. BG and Minnesota had virtually identical yardage satistics (and BG generated 150 yds more total offense than it did vs Pitt) and the score was BG 17-Minn 21 with 10:41 left in the game. The real story of that game was BG losing 4 fumbles and throwing 1 interception (5 turnovers) to zero turnovers for Minnesota. Had BG turned it over 5 times to Pitt and Pitt not had any turnovers Pitt would have probably put 50 or more on the board vs BG. No, the Minn-BG result result had little or nothing to do with one team dominating things–it was clearly two fairly evenly matched teams with a game decided by turnovers.

2. IMO, way too much being read into Wanny-Bennett interactions. Folks on this board and others are at least a little paranoid. Reality, is that probably both just were talking heatedly because they were both angry because a player or players failed to execut a defensive assignment properly. There was little or nothing wrong with the defensive strategy overall against Buffalo. IMO, execution was a problem–particularly outside linebackers pursuit to the sideline on plays that went wide (getting there late plus not tackling with force to drive the ballcarrier out of bounds which resulted in 2-3 yard gains becoming 5-7 yard gains). This undoubtedly explains why the young OLBs weren’t ahead of Murray and Gunn before their injuries.

Comment by pitt1972 09.07.08 @ 11:10 am

1)The only reason Lucas Nix got into the game was because Joe Thomas went off with an injury for two plays.

2) Jonathan Baldwin was in the game for 3 plays. Four, if you count the play that was negated for a penalty.

3) Elijah Fields was in the game quite a bit, but he also blew the coverage on UB’s wide-open touchdown. I’m not sure if he thought there was a safety playing a deep zone to pick that guy up, but he peeled off after about 10 yards.

4. Stull had a better game but he still makes some absolutely awful throws on short balls- putting balls over the wrong shoulder, throwing WAY too high on a little dump pass to Shady. Eventually, those will lead to interceptions.

5. Our defensive line is not getting any push, but our LBs played a lot better, especially McKillop. He had a much more composed game.

6. Shady is finally looking like Shady again. Good cuts, great open field moves, and would have had another 100-yard game if he’d gotten the carries.

Comment by merlin 09.07.08 @ 11:32 am

Pitt1972,

Thanks for posting both of those items.

I was listening to the first half of the game on the radio and I got the overwhelming sense from comments by Foge and Fralic that the main thing separating the two teams through the first half was execution. In its most simple terms, Buffalo executed their plays and Pitt did not.

Fralic said there were other issues - Buffalo was exploiting the slot receiver in the flats and Bennett wasn’t making the adjustments. By the second half - which I was unable to hear on the radio - it sounds as if Pitt started executing plays the way they’re capable of doing.

Your comments about judging performance based on final scores was dead-on. In fact, I was watching ESPNU late last night and they recapped the Minnesota-BGU game. After the game, one of the anchors said, “Well, what does this say about Pitt?” The response from the other anchor was simply, “If Bowling Green had turned the ball over five times against Pitt and Pitt hadn’t turned the ball over at all, there’s probably no way Bowling Green beats Pitt.”

Pitt’s problems so far as probably due in part to substandard gameplanning, but that is compounded further when the execution has not been good.

Comment by Stoosh 09.07.08 @ 12:04 pm

Pitt wins! WVU fails to find stadium! The comment that stands out the most is the one about the crowd and the student section being so alive. Big surprise after what happened last week, but I think that more then anything else fan support needs to be strong to help this team win. All the enthusiasm that was there before the season started got kicked in the nuts pretty hard in week 1. A few more wins and some confidence might just turn this thing around……

Comment by bombersunshine 09.07.08 @ 12:47 pm

Daryl Revis saves the day for the Jets.

Comment by alcofan 09.07.08 @ 4:05 pm

Interesting tidbit: I checked the Pitt website to find out if this game was being televised, it showed “Gameplan” and “ESPN 360″. I have Dish TV. I checked their Gameplan for this weekend and the game was not listed. I went to ESPN360.com and found that my internet provider does not allow connection to the site. I listened to the first half of the game on Sirius (Foge is a great addition to the broadcast team). At halftime I decided to flip around the channels and see some other games…when I came across Channel 438 on Dish TV and it was none other than our Pitt Panthers vs. Buffalo! The channel is called “SNY” (which I thinks stands for “Sports New York”. I thought the game was on this channel because of Buffalo. Then I saw an add for SNY calling it the “Official Network of the Big East”. The add said that they will carry 158 Big East Football and Basketball games this year. During the halftime, the logo in the corner read: “SNY THE BIG EAST NETWORK”. I receive this channel as part of the Sports tier that I pay $5.99 per month for. Since this tier also includes Fox Sports Pgh and its dozen or so Pitt BB games a year, this small investment is well worth it for me. Has anyone else heard anything about programming for this network?

Comment by HbgFrank 09.07.08 @ 9:22 pm

SNY = SportsNet New York

Comment by HbgFrank 09.07.08 @ 9:25 pm

I think the BE should seriously consider letting my favorite college town in NC enter the conference now :)

Comment by Dugdog 09.07.08 @ 10:50 pm

Things were better overall.

We still need to open up the offense. I would like to see some play action early in the game. You would think that work like a charm since we run so often early on.
We did pass to the middle of the field (a holy SH-T moment for me) and it worked and Stull lead receivers (great!).

Turner drops balls. He can’t be out there.
Maybe it’s a mental thing with him and we only see during the games but he drops passes.

Our D is back to sit and wait instead of attacking.

Iowa will be a good measuring stick .

Wanny and 2 weeks to prepare historically have been a bad deal. Hopefully this time it’s different.

Comment by Tony In Harrisburg 09.07.08 @ 11:49 pm

HBG Frank–I live in Northern Virginia and also have Dish with the 5.99 Sports pak (with all the FSNs) and got to watch the game on SNY, as well. Maybe they will carry additional Pitt games in the future. Hope so.

Comment by pitt1972 09.08.08 @ 4:52 pm

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