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August 25, 2008

Brief and Shallow on the Depth Chart

Filed under: Football,Players — Chas @ 7:02 am

The game notes should come out later today. The depth chart will be eagerly anticipated and scrutinize I’m sure. Specifically at weakside linebacker and right guard.

Lucas Nix is increasingly getting the attention as it is clear he will be playing, not redshirting, in his freshman year. In a way, it’s a little disappointing he can’t redshirt. Just because he actually seems to be willing because he does understand what he still needs to do.

“I’m ready from the standpoint of getting out there and getting after it,” Nix said. “I’d like to spend an extra year in the weightroom before I get out there. It would probably help me a lot. But if they’re relying on me, and they have expectations …”

When Thomas struggled against sophomore defensive end Jabaal Sheard in Monday’s practice, Wannstedt sent a message by inserting Nix into the lineup with the first-team offense. What was supposed to be a wake-up call for Thomas turned into an eye-opener for Nix, as well, when Sheard beat him with a swim move for a sack on the first snap.

“It was always a goal for me — to compete in here for a starting spot and, hopefully, get it one day,” Nix said. “To get reps with the first team was not what I expected. But it’s what I’m working for, and I’m getting closer to it.

“There’s a lot more speed on the defense. … You realize where you need to be and how much better you need to get.”

Wise believes Nix is showing signs of progress and likes what he sees from a competitive standpoint. It’s clear the Panthers are counting on Nix to contribute.

It will be a shock if Joe Thomas isn’t the starting guard right tackle for the opening game. He came into training camp with a leaner look, and by all accounts took the off-season conditioning seriously. So, that isn’t an issue. It’s now about his technique and desire.

Desire mainly at this point. He never seems to have gotten past the point where he was just bigger and better than others in high school. It’s not an uncommon thing, but then not tapping that potential is all mental.

The other big question everyone is waiting to see is the Will Linebacker. Will Shane Murray be healthy or a game-day decision? Is it going to be Austin Ransom moving into the starting spot. Will Tristan Roberts or Nate Nix finally nail it down?

The question, though (in this case, asked of P-G beat writer Paul Zeise), has been why Austin Ransom at all?

Q: How can Austin Ransom be thrown into being a starting LB when guys such as Nate Nix or Tristan Roberts are around and have been playing the position longer? Nix is a guy who is in his third year and I am wondering why he has not gotten an opportunity?

ZEISE: Nate Nix has had plenty of opportunity, he’s just yet to seize any of them. And Tristan Roberts had a fantastic spring but has actually probably regressed some. Coaches believe that Ransom, who is a fifth-year senior, is a quicker study and a better and smarter football player than any alternative they have right now so they are going to give him a shot. Those young guys at that spot have talent and are going to be good, but Wannstedt and company are just not sure they are ready to play yet. Ransom has been around for a long time and he is better in pass coverage than the other alternatives at that spot.

Again, it seems to be coming back to the mental aspect.

“We’re trying to force-feed him a little bit and see where he’s at mentally,” Wannstedt said. “With Shane being out today, it will be (Ransom) and Tristan working (at weak-side linebacker).”

I get the impression that the Pitt coaches were aware of what they had in Nix and Dell and gave the four redshirt freshmen – Max Gruder, Brandon Lindsey, Roberts and Greg Williams – as many reps as possible to prove themselves.

“It wasn’t the clear separation with those guys that you thought there would be,” Wannstedt said, which explains why the upperclassmen might get the nod as the backups.

My take is that Lindsey had the best camp of the four redshirt freshmen, but it’s possible that the backup linebackers will be Dell in the middle, Ransom at weak-side and Nix at strong-side.

That was from Kevin Gorman the Trib beat writer. Taking the two together, it suggests that Nix might fit better to the Pitt coaches at the Sam rather than Will. Roberts took a step back in camp which may be a mental thing about making the leap to really being counted on to play. And on top of that possibly starting if Murray’s out.

Of I could just be guilty of trying to jam an overarching theme into a post to tie everything into a nice neat package. Overlaying my own views and interest in creating a post/article without a clear grasp of the facts. Hmm. Troubling thoughts.





I thought Nix and Thomas were battling for right tackle.

Comment by 0aklandZoo 08.25.08 @ 8:40 am

Whoops. My bad. Thanks for catching that.

Comment by Chas 08.25.08 @ 9:09 am

So, who were the yahoos on this board calling Joe Thomas an All-American a few months ago, and where did they go?

Comment by Joshua 08.25.08 @ 12:31 pm

Thomas has loads of potential but he doesn’t seem to have the competitive drive to succeed at the NCAA level.

Comment by Jon In Cbus 08.25.08 @ 1:45 pm

Shane has a torn ligament on that knee. He should have surgery but is going to try and play for the opener with a brace and a scope job.

Comment by Freebird 08.25.08 @ 8:00 pm

It’s kind of strange, I think, for fans to sit here and say Thomas doesn’t have the “drive” to succeed at this level. On what basis do people make that claim? Have the coaches said as much?

I think I’d be more apt to conclude the guy just isn’t that good.

Comment by Jeff 08.25.08 @ 8:50 pm

^^^ Jeff – “just isn’t that good” is pretty vague also, but I know what you mean. Of course Thomas was good enough to be a starter over the last two years, and it’s not like he has Joe Schmoe pushing him from the second string spot – he’s got an Army AA super recruit in Lucas Nix back there looking over his shoulder. So, as you said, it’s hard to figure out exactly what’s up with that position.

I’ve a feeling that what we are seeing with the O Line is becoming a pretty high quaility level across the board (in both his O Line mates and the defense they are practicing against) and Thomas may not be measuring up with his peers, as opposed to just not being good enough.

The real test is whether he’s good enough during gametime, not in practice – and we’ll know more at 3:30 on Saturday afternoon.

Comment by Reed 08.26.08 @ 3:56 am

The pressure is on Wanny at this point. 5-7 won’t cut it this year. So he better play his best players. We’re 0-10 against Rutgers (0-3), USF (0-2), UCONN (0-2) and Louisville (0-3) in the last 10 against those 4 squads….and 0-14 if you add the 4 straight losses to Louisville prior to joining the Big East. That’s a freakin joke.

Comment by PPF 08.26.08 @ 9:51 am

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