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February 9, 2007

Mock Brackets

Filed under: Basketball,Fishwrap,Media,NCAA Tourney — Chas @ 10:17 am

I did a post today for AOL about the NCAA letting 20 writers take a crack at putting together a mock bracket based on all the information the NCAA Tournament Selection Committee has. It really was a good idea.

Now, let me just add that I am now pissed at the writers. They put Pitt as a #3 seed. Seems Kansas and A&M were both given #2 seeds.
If I understand how it worked, in their mock-up Pitt ended up losing the Big East Tournament to Marquette (and it would appear that Pitt was swept by Marquette in the regular season). So Marquette was a #2 seed. Naturally Marquette was the lowest #2 seed and Pitt was the highest #3 seed. And since they are the same conference, Pitt got bumped lower in the brackets. Geez, even in the mock Tournament selection, Pitt gets slammed.

That said, it seems like an interesting experiment. And actually damn smart move by the NCAA.





Why exactly did they decide that Pitt was going to lose to Marquette 3 times? That will not happen.

Comment by Omar 02.09.07 @ 10:42 am

Off topic here… but Aaron Gray about to be on Cold Pizza on espn2.

Comment by Chris 02.09.07 @ 11:40 am

Looks like the reason they gave us a 3 seed is so we could play our first game in Buffalo and the 16 and 8 in East Rutherford. You dont think they heard the PITT faithful complaining the last 3 years about our game sites?

Comment by Scott 02.09.07 @ 11:57 am

Scott,

Mike DeCourcy has a really good timeline of the thing.
link to sportingnews.com

12:20 a.m.: We begin the process of determining where teams will play their opening games, and the Buckeyes get their break by getting sent to Lexington, less than three hours away by car. Pittsburgh could go to either Buffalo or Columbus, but there are fewer true Eastern teams at the top of our bracket and plenty from the Midwest, so they’re headed for Lake Erie.

Comment by Chas 02.09.07 @ 12:22 pm

What do you think is the better outcome this weekend in the Marquette – G’town game? I tend to think that it’d be nice for Marquette to win out up until the Pitt game and then we beat them – which at that point will give us the quality win against a highly ranked opponent that we’re missing.

Comment by John 02.09.07 @ 2:47 pm

I like the way you think, but if Pitt loses that game then we don’t get the Big East regular season championship. I want the big east conference championship and tournament championship. It would be nice to beat Marquette with the championship on the line, but I don’t care how Pitt wins the league as long as they do. I don’t think Marquette wins the game. Georgetown needs it more then they do just like Marquette needed the win against us more then we did.

Comment by Omar 02.09.07 @ 3:14 pm

As Chas mentioned, it looks like Pitt being a three seed assumes that they will lose the regular season game AND the tourney game to Marquette. If that happens, I don’t know if we honestly deserve to be a 1 or 2. But it also depends on where other teams like A&M and Kansas finish out, so I’ll hold off on my complaining for now.

But if Pitt can defeat Marquette in either game (assuming they get them again in the tourney, which is a big assumption), and only finish with five losses, then we should probably get a 1 or 2.

And if the RPI is such a strong factor with the selection committee, even if Pitt lost to Marquette in the reg. season and won a game or two in the Big East tournament, then they still should get at least a 2. But all of this is dependent on how they finish out the season – still have a tough game at Georgetown.

Comment by PittHoops 02.09.07 @ 3:17 pm

I think we will get swept by Marquette..they are better than us (match up wise) and I really like their coach.

not looking for hate mail, just calling how I see it right now.

Comment by scoocher 02.09.07 @ 3:50 pm

No way Marquette would beat us 3 times.

Comment by Omar 02.09.07 @ 4:04 pm

I think twice in the regular season is a real possibility and despite doing well in NYC, we have, on occassion, lost to inferior teams in the title game…I should know, I go every year.

I am not rooting against us, I just really like how Marquette plays and hoops (as you know) is more about matchups than football.

Comment by scoocher 02.09.07 @ 4:29 pm

Seems to me that the seeding is less a punishment as a reprieve. Pitt gets a lower seed to stay in Buffalo/East Rutherford, but also plays much ligher competition in this bracket.

Play Pacific, then GW/FSU winner, and THEN Kansas in a location much closer to Pitt. I wouldn’t be unhappy with that.

Comment by JLA 02.09.07 @ 4:42 pm

Marquette is not a balanced team. Pitt is better. I don’t know what will happen in the next game since Marquette will be at home, but I think Pitt wins. They needed 14 points from Dan Fitzgerald, a banked 3 from D. James and a phantom foul to beat us. I just don’t think they win, but if they do it will be because of the home court advantage. Tom Crean is a wlb (whiny, little bitch).

Comment by Omar 02.09.07 @ 4:45 pm

I agree JLA..look we talk about this every year…this game is about matchups not where our game is..although I would love to catch them live, I would rather they play as a lower seed in the exisitng (speculative)situation.

Comment by scoocher 02.09.07 @ 4:47 pm

People are getting way to worked up about this.

From reading Katz’ article on ESPN.com, it’s clear that the committee was INTENTIONALLY showing upsets in conference championship games to disrupt the process mid-stream. Marquette over Pitt was one of many examples of this, meant to change seedings on the fly as the committee must do when actually performing this task.

Link: ESPN.com Katz Article

Comment by JLA 02.09.07 @ 5:10 pm

I don’t think Marquette is better on paper but they defend us in a way we can’t handle, plus they have a go-to guy we’ve proven we can’t stop. I say we’ll probably lose there and a potential MSG game would be … very interesting.

As far as the tournament, guys, face it, we have to show better than we have to warrant respect in seeding. RPI will be used against us rather than in our favor. Plus, CBS doesn’t want us to be on TV, nobody likes our style.

Comment by geeman2001 02.09.07 @ 9:44 pm

i highly doubt pitt will get a 1-seed. i think just about everyone has already pencilled in UCLA, UF, UNC and Wisc as 1 seeds, and rightfully so. id be very happy with a 2 or 3 seed. hell i’ll take 21-3 every year.

Comment by matt 02.10.07 @ 11:01 am

I agree, no way we get a 1 seed. We would have to go undefeated the rest of the way to even be in the discussion and would need all the teams in front of us to lose multiple games. If we get a 2 or 3 and stay close to home we should be okay.

Comment by Omar 02.10.07 @ 1:02 pm

[…] I know that some of the anxiety is all about the NCAA Tournament and the seeding. I understand. I was the one who got annoyed over a mock bracket and the assumptions that led Pitt to being a 3 seed. In a mock bracket. The seeding helps in getting the weaker teams to move closer to the Sweet 16 and hopefully beyond. It is also the prestige issue of seeing Pitt on the #2 or even #3 line. […]


I think at the end of the day, Pitt will have a #2 seed. No way can Marq. bet Pitt three times. I think the real treat is from Gtown who has size. The Big East has always gone to the team that is physical and has size.

Comment by Doug 02.28.07 @ 4:53 pm

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